DBWI: Mein Kampf published before Hitler's death

I don't know if you heard of him but you can look for information on him online but there was a German politician named Adolph Hitler who made somewhat of a name for himself after the Great War. He was arrestted when trying for a military coup and started writing a book called "Mein Kampf" which you can find on Amazon.com as they have a number of obscure books. Some have said that the book would have made him a more prominent politician as he would have a book out and all. I have read it and it looks to me like the ravings of a lunatic mind and that if anything it would have discredited him. What do you people think?
 

d32123

Banned
Okay honestly if this guy ever rose to power he'd probably become just another fascist (Like Mussolini, Franco, or Tojo). The German people would never support most of his ideas.
 
Bad rip off of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, wasn't it ? Henry Ford's Brown Shirt thugs would really have loved it, I bet.
 
I just looked Mein Kampf up on the Cyberpedia.

This lunatic would be interred in the nearest insane asylum if he even tried running as president of the Berlin Tea Drinkers club.
 

MSZ

Banned
Dude, there were probably hundreds of pamphlets like that in circulation after the Great War, most of which were German delusions of grandeur which blamed its loss in the war on thousands of different reasons. I skimmed through it and this one isn't really that special, "It's the Jews fault!" was a common idea at the time.

His ideas on "The State as a Volkish entity" would probably be the closest thing to a "original thought" there was there, the guy was a member of a German Fascist Party I suppose?
 
Dude, there were probably hundreds of pamphlets like that in circulation after the Great War, most of which were German delusions of grandeur which blamed its loss in the war on thousands of different reasons. I skimmed through it and this one isn't really that special, "It's the Jews fault!" was a common idea at the time.

His ideas on "The State as a Volkish entity" would probably be the closest thing to a "original thought" there was there, the guy was a member of a German Fascist Party I suppose?

The leader of one I believe but I am not an expert.
 
What gets me is he wrote this in prison after attempting a coup in Bavaria, which leads me to ask three questions.

1 Why was he allowed to write at all?
2 Why didn't the prison authorities read it and have him sent to the nearest asylum?
3 Why wasn't this foriegner deported back to Austria?
 

MSZ

Banned
What gets me is he wrote this in prison after attempting a coup in Bavaria, which leads me to ask three questions.

1 Why was he allowed to write at all?
2 Why didn't the prison authorities read it and have him sent to the nearest asylum?
3 Why wasn't this foriegner deported back to Austria?

I'm no expert on the post-war German penitentiary system, but the anwser would be:

1. It was legal to have pen and paper in prison
2. They didn't care
3. Was he Austrian? Anyway, he commited a crime in Germany, so he had to do his sentence in Germany.

And btw, did he attempt a coup and get life prison rather than death? I remember they did kill a lot of commies just after the war for far less. Or was his coup some kind of "counter-coup" against the Bavarian Socialists or something?
 
What gets me is he wrote this in prison after attempting a coup in Bavaria, which leads me to ask three questions.

1 Why was he allowed to write at all?
2 Why didn't the prison authorities read it and have him sent to the nearest asylum?
3 Why wasn't this foriegner deported back to Austria?

Good questions along with why didn't they have him executed for trying to overthrow the Bavarian government or how did an Austrian become the leader of a German party? He died 5 days before being let out of prison supposedly from slipping on some soap in the shower and cracking his head open. The Fascists saw this as suspicious and accused the government of having him assassinated in prison. There was a small riot over it that lasted about 5 hours in which 5 people were killed and 70 injured before the police broke it up.
 
What gets me is he wrote this in prison after attempting a coup in Bavaria, which leads me to ask three questions.

1 Why was he allowed to write at all?
2 Why didn't the prison authorities read it and have him sent to the nearest asylum?
3 Why wasn't this foriegner deported back to Austria?

Many other right wingers in Germany at the time had similar anti-semtic and anti-communist.
 
I'm no expert on the post-war German penitentiary system, but the anwser would be:

1. It was legal to have pen and paper in prison
2. They didn't care
3. Was he Austrian? Anyway, he commited a crime in Germany, so he had to do his sentence in Germany.

And btw, did he attempt a coup and get life prison rather than death? I remember they did kill a lot of commies just after the war for far less. Or was his coup some kind of "counter-coup" against the Bavarian Socialists or something?

Bavaria had a right wing government at the time, the Bavarian Soviets had been defeated years earlier. Many of the judges in Germany were right wingers who opposed the Weimer Republic and sympathized with Hitler even if they disagreed with his methods and thought him misguided. If a Communist had tried such a coup he would have been executed, but they had a different standard for right wing revolutionaries. Also, Hitler didn't get life imprisonment, he only recieved a 5 year sentence and he was about to be released on parole after only 8 months before he died.
 
given the state of germany at the time, i could see his rise to power quite easily if the nationalists supported him...i mean alot of germans were pissed at the time what with the massive recession, territorial split, and heavy pressures on all of german society laid down after the treay of versailles...

course i doubt he wouldve gained enough of germany too support him in the end, especially with all the racial hatred the book has in parts of its context...cant imagine the germans wouldve being that desperate to have gone along with some of his ideas, not like what we saw in stalinist russia or during the japanese occupation of china...and i imagine that wouldve lead to alot of trouble in the long run for them
 

MSZ

Banned
Bavaria had a right wing government at the time, the Bavarian Soviets had been defeated years earlier. Many of the judges in Germany were right wingers who opposed the Weimer Republic and sympathized with Hitler even if they disagreed with his methods and thought him misguided. If a Communist had tried such a coup he would have been executed, but they had a different standard for right wing revolutionaries. Also, Hitler didn't get life imprisonment, he only recieved a 5 year sentence and he was about to be released on parole after only 8 months before he died.

Oh, all right then. That makes sense.... In a way I suppose. Still, 5 years for attempted coup seems awfully low for a punishment for attempted coup. And was it against the Bavarian government, or the German government? If the former, that might explain it even more. If the latter, seems kind of a weird place to start a coup. Did this Hitler guy have some party in Berlin to back him with it or some connections in the military?

I'm genuinly curious since I didn't hear about this particular coup attempt. There was the failed Kapp Putsch around the same time and other attempts to overthrow the Lander and Weimar Governments, but this part is obscure to me.
 
Bad rip off of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, wasn't it ? Henry Ford's Brown Shirt thugs would really have loved it, I bet.
Yeah a real Charles Lindbergh type, still it may be interesting to see a Rome-Tokyo-Berlin Pact as opposed to the Rome-Tokyo Washington one. A whole different World War 2, probably would go down a lot quicker though.
That is if he even allied with them, for all we know he wouldn't have managed to keep power until WWII.
 
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