DBWI: Linguistic rather than Religious Division of Hispania

OOC:trying to revive this

Wonder how This would change story in a full muslim or christian Hispania Peninsula, OTL we know Castilla decided to focus East and into Italy and medditeranean and the Andalus to convert and colonize the new world(with french and later even danish and swedes sending people in the Sugar Islands and High Maghreb/Ponente) that change how the peninsula behave and how North and South Hispania(or Castilla and Andaluz) behave

(OOC: Americas are name Maghreb or Ponente/Poniente/Sunset as that is the far away of sun lands and in a eurocentric view, the last to see sunset, need an alternate name for carribean too besides sugar islands)


OOC: Um... read what you quoted again carefully and explain how your post logically follows
 
The whole Iberian Peninsula was a sprachbund that easily absorbed other languages. Even with the rigid religious division a common lingua hispanica still developed.

If there was no religious division it's clear that the whole peninsula would easily speak all the same dialect. Because of the semiarid climate, Iberia is forced to become highly urbanized like Anatolia which means constant linguistic contact between its many sub populations. This is in contrast to France, with more arable land, where you had very isolated and unique groups living in the Massif Central, Pyrenees and Alps, as well as many rural dialects even in the main river valleys.
 
OOC:trying to revive this

Wonder how This would change story in a full muslim or christian Hispania Peninsula, OTL we know Castilla decided to focus East and into Italy and medditeranean and the Andalus to convert and colonize the new world(with french and later even danish and swedes sending people in the Sugar Islands and High Maghreb/Ponente) that change how the peninsula behave and how North and South Hispania(or Castilla and Andaluz) behave

(OOC: Americas are name Maghreb or Ponente/Poniente/Sunset as that is the far away of sun lands and in a eurocentric view, the last to see sunset, need an alternate name for carribean too besides sugar islands)
France was the principal beneficary of the discovery of the New World. Over the centuries it managed to colonise a vast territory now called Latin Americas, as it was colonised by the Romance speaking French. The vast number of French speakers, combined with Frances domination of Europe both economically and diplomatically, set the stage for French to become the lingua franca of the population in the Christian world.
 
The whole Iberian Peninsula was a sprachbund that easily absorbed other languages. Even with the rigid religious division a common lingua hispanica still developed.

If there was no religious division it's clear that the whole peninsula would easily speak all the same dialect. Because of the semiarid climate, Iberia is forced to become highly urbanized like Anatolia which means constant linguistic contact between its many sub populations. This is in contrast to France, with more arable land, where you had very isolated and unique groups living in the Massif Central, Pyrenees and Alps, as well as many rural dialects even in the main river valleys.

Hmm.... I haven't considered that. How long do you think it would take the Portucaliese to conform to Castillian (which I presume would be the result) if they are a separate political polity? There is bound to be less intraregional migration of the peasent class and no favoratism towards Castillian use as the lay tounge in churches pushed forward IOTL Christian Hispania that allowed for the earlier subsumption of dialects like Catalan and the Basque Tounge... it would probably be a much slower process.

France was the principal beneficary of the discovery of the New World. Over the centuries it managed to colonise a vast territory now called Latin Americas, as it was colonised by the Romance speaking French. The vast number of French speakers, combined with Frances domination of Europe both economically and diplomatically, set the stage for French to become the lingua franca of the population in the Christian world.

True, true. The existence of a strong Andalusia holding the richest and most populious areas of the penninsula and putting constant pressure on the north as well as the Islamic domination of the Mediterranean trade really left Castille without many resources with which to project power, to say nothing of France's clear positional advantage in terms of size and centeralized political power. And Latin America is certainly a bigger prize than the far more humid and mountanious Maghreb south of the Istmus in what they gave to France (especially with the Andians being merely converted and merchantile assimilation taking place rather than direct political integration... conquering that powerful an Empire on the opposite side of the world sheilded by a natural Great Wall and the only way around a frozen stormwracked mess? Not even with smallpox!). Still, I'd say Islam still got a good deal in the Old World, particularly Afrique and the rich Danubian plains, and at least the silver mines in Al-Suelymadin (OOC: Bolivia-Argentina) and the sugar fields of Al-Naylazraq (OOC: Brazil) were nothing to sneeze at
 
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