DBWI: Lenin had made it back to Russia

Hey has any heard of Vladimir Lenin? He was supposedly a devout Marxist, I recently read some of his works, namely "Materialism and Empirio-criticism" at University. I looked into his background and apparently he was linked to Stalin and Trotsky, two failed Communist revolutionaries after the First Great War. I was wondering if maybe had his train not derailed and he had made it Russia would Stalin and Trotsky's revolution succeeded? What would the Russian Federation look like with a Communist face?
 
It probably couldn't have been any worse than the radical Menshevik regime that took over under Ramishvili. Those guys were clear never to identify with the word "Communist" but if they had just cut the crapski and gone with actual identification it's not hard to see that ending worse. Albeit I can't see the Bolsheviks creating the military juggernaut that defeated the DVNP-Military dictatorship that tried to secure the Polish corridor and triggered a general European war and the rise of Russia-in-Europe. Damn fool idiot German dictators. :mad:
 
Hey has any heard of Vladimir Lenin? He was supposedly a devout Marxist, I recently read some of his works, namely "Materialism and Empirio-criticism" at University. I looked into his background and apparently he was linked to Stalin and Trotsky, two failed Communist revolutionaries after the First Great War. I was wondering if maybe had his train not derailed and he had made it Russia would Stalin and Trotsky's revolution succeeded? What would the Russian Federation look like with a Communist face?

That would have required a much better Swedish railroad system in the 1910s, which is quite hard to get, but inevitable if you wanna avert the Great Norrköping Train Wreck of 1917. That's gonna be pretty tough for you, but shouldn't be impossible.

As for Russia... I dunno actually. There's little to suggest that Lenin would have proven a unifying leader enough to keep the mess that was the 1917 Russian Communist Party from failing miserably at the December Coup. Likely, Kerensky still emerges as a hero from the attempt to destroy the Provisional Government and is still considered the Russian Federation's Founding Father...

If you wanna do this, you're almost gonna have to include Alien Space Bats. For the Bolsheviks, as they were called, to be successful, they need to win the trust of a huge chunk of the people, which is gonna prove very hard, seeing most Russians firmly favored the Social Revolutionaries. Kerensky is not gonna like seeing the Bolsheviks gain any sense of influence whatsoever, so you'll need some common enemy that the Bolsheviks and the Provisional Government can fight against. Perhaps Lenin, upon arriving in Petrograd, will support the Great War? Or at least agree to help Kerensky fight the Germans...
 
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That would have required a much better Swedish railroad system in the 1910s, which is quite hard to get, but inevitable if you wanna avert the Great Norrköping Train Wreck of 1917. That's gonna be pretty tough for you, but shouldn't be impossible.

As for Russia... I dunno actually. There's little to suggest that Lenin would have proven a unifying leader enough to keep the mess that was the 1917 Russian Communist Party from failing miserably at the December Coup. Likely, Kerensky still emerges as a hero from the attempt to destroy the Provisional Government and is still considered the Russian Federation's Founding Father... :confused:

Until the Mensheviks realized that with the Russian peasantry wanting out of the war and Kerensky being blind to this that the road to power was open for them to take, as they were to benefit from the absence of a Bolshevik factionalism. If Stalin and Trotsky had lived past the Red Terror they might have actually provided for a Bolshevik Resurgence but Ramishvili was too smart for that.

Kerensky was the founder, but it was Ramishvili that understood what Russia wanted. It was Russia's tragedy that if its leaders honored its international obligations their power fell apart, if they did what the people wanted they were guaranteed the giant civil war that formed the Russian Federation of Sovereign Republics.
 
I still think it was the greatest mistake of Ramashvili to have allowed Ukraine independence. They could have saved a lot of suffering to the Russians had the German dictator Hugenberg and his phalanx been met at the Dnestr rather than the meeting battle that was lost on the banks of Dneper, resulting in withdrawal of entire South portion of the front beyond Volga.

Had it not been for the courage of General Zhukov and his corps famous last stand at Ekatarinenburg, that bought precious time for the Russian army to complete transfer and concentration of the forces at Saratov, Russia could have lost entire war.
 
I don't know, I reckon if Zhukov had survived the war would have been over faster, his death in Ekatarinenburg struck a huge blow to moral.
 
I don't know, I reckon if Zhukov had survived the war would have been over faster, his death in Ekatarinenburg struck a huge blow to moral.

Yeah, but you have to admire the way Tuchachevsky used the death of Zhukov as an example how Russian soldier should fight.

I know you are all going to scream ASB here, but if Manstein had been in command of XI Panzer korps of German instead of Rommel it all might have turned differently. Than the entire 32. Army (or Ekatarinenburg Army as it was later known) could have been surrounded. But Rommel had to plunge forward, instead of turning south. I read that on russipedia.org.

I heard some speculations on what would happen if Britain had been in the war? Well we all know that while Edward was the king it is not going to happen, but what if he was foolish enough and continue his affair with that american woman?
 
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