DBWI: Lenin dies in 1924

OOC: radical ramblings incoming

I was hoping that Operation Barbarossa would have been avoided, thanks to the rise of the glorious revolutionary general Trotsky. And MacArthur, the Fascist American Nazi allying president would have been murdered with an ice pick as Trotsky would have liked to.

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Looks like we have another dollar legionnaire here. What's with this site attracting them and crazy Hungarian nationalists?

Trotsky was smart and talented, but his star was on the wane in the party itself since the mid-30's, when he and Kamenev were outmaneuvered by their erstwhile friend Zinoviev with the help of Kirov. Ironically, I think he was better off serving as an international figure for the communist movement than if he was the sole leader of the USSR; he in particular would not have been able to personally assist in training and fighting with the guerrillas of the PRC for one thing, something that really helped them become the unifying force in china.
I think Kamenev or Zinoviev would both have been in a good position to succeed Lenin in 1924.
Kamenev, Trotsky, or Zinoviev were the three big picks during that time, though if the whole Stalin thing is true, he might have been able to arrange an upset.
Comrade, it would have been so much worse with out the leadership of Lenin. He only attacked bourgeois intellectuals, not revolutionary comrades and proletarian scientists. His programmes for the revolutionary sciences attached many bright idealists from around the world, like Nikola Tesla the master of physics
He mostly did that so he could claim his own master inventor. The fact that the Soviets tend to have a rather advanced electrical grid and have even dabbled in wireless energy transfer is just the product of this.
And Stalin was just a dumb bank robber lolololololll
No shit, really? That was his role in the Bolshevik movement? Well, maybe if he also handled the money that might give him a bit better credit, but I was given the impression he was a bureaucrat at heart based on what Marty was saying... though being a bureaucrat probably didn't help his chances.
OoC: someone would almost certainly insert anti-communist comments, verging on trolling, so here goes:

The sooner all the f****g communists died the better. Communism ruined the world. It was a vicious nasty violent ideology - the worst thing to happen in the whole history of the world, ever. The Nazis didn't kill enough of them. The first nukes should have been used on the Kremlin and Leningrad, not on Kagoshima and Okayama.

OoC: Regarding the comment about the Nazis, no, that's not my real-life viewpoint. Standing by for an ITTL kick...
And reported for UKIP or Constitutionalist twaddle. The communism of now is not exactly the communism of the 20s and 30s.
I'm not sure it would have made much of a difference. The historical proof of historical materialism would seem to indicate that such a "great man" view of history is unrealistic (although still useful for coming up with fun alt-hist scenarios I guess). Most likely the broad sweep of history would unfold as OTL, with socialism steadily rising, whilst capitalism steadily degenerates.
Eh, that comes a bit off as Liberal Whiggish in terms of how societies, and can be seen as somewhat wrong when you saw the brief golden age of Fascism, which died when the madness of the Nazis consumed themselves. Plus mixed economies tend to be somewhat more often the final result, as the Soviets and other communist states offer some degree of free enterprise nowadays.
 
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Jimmy Carter, who the hell is that? Breznev as General Secretary and the leader of the USSR for two decades? Who is Margaret Thatcher? And Franco lasting into the 70's? Not quite sure how you got those details, but seems a bit implausible.
 
He mostly did that so he could claim his own master inventor. The fact that the Soviets tend to have a rather advanced electrical grid and have even dabbled in wireless energy transfer is just the product of this.
Tesla did say, after returning to the US, that Russia was "dreary, dogmatic, overall dull," although he did say that it did have the potential to become the most advanced nation on Earth. He even donated some of his equipment to Leon Theremin, so he could create some of his greatest instruments, including the Guinness World Record "Largest Instrument".

Jimmy Carter, who the hell is that? Breznev as General Secretary and the leader of the USSR for two decades? Who is Margaret Thatcher? And Franco lasting into the 70's? Not quite sure how you got those details, but seems a bit implausible.

Also, Ronald Reagan? That old late night show guy? How could he become President?
 

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Kamenev, Trotsky, or Zinoviev were the three big picks during that time, though if the whole Stalin thing is true, he might have been able to arrange an upset.
Trotsky really had too few friends to be able to place himself in charge. That's why I think either Kamenev ir Zinoviev would have succeeded Lenin as the head of the USSR. No one really wanted Trotsky in charge.
 
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This is so much ASB. A 60+ year conflict in the Middle East between Jews and Arabs; India divided along religious lines; Yugoslavia breaking up into ethnic conflict; Malcolm Little, the face of black Christian conservatism, converting to a fringe sect of extremely heterodox Islam and becoming a rabble rouser; the Finns not getting absolutely curb-stomped in the Winter War; the completely unrealistic Iraq screw; the Soviet Union just dissolving in the early nineties despite the huge economic growth and stability of that period; the British Labour Party losing the 1983 election, despite being the largest landslide since 1945 IOTL; the Soviet Union being humiliated in a war in Afghanistan; Arabia is an absolute monarchy under the control of the house of Saud; the Star Wars prequels being a total critical and artistic failure (what you did to Jar Jar is unforgivable you monster).
 
Comrade Golfman76, such ASB. How could the revolution fail?
Well, I dunno about Stalin being THAT bad if he gained power, but if a person like Brezhnev was General Secretary for that long, that would not help. He was a decent commander, but a bit too full of himself and was kind of a Bukharinite without any of the decent ideas that Bukharin espoused. He also had a few more members of the old Bukharin faction take the reins and die due to old age and illness before Gorbachev, who he paints as being too little, too late take the reins.

It still feels pretty implausible, since Stalin would have to literally be worse than Hitler, and the only person who came close to that was Lenin, who had the excuse of needing to fight a bitter civil war that lasted for years and then had to build a state from the wreckage of feudalism. The Holodomor, designed to purge the kulaks, was a horrible thing and is the worst thing the Soviets ever did, but the thing is Hitler murdered five times more people that way. Then he'd have to have Brezhnev act at his worst for two decades.

Though the Winter War being in favor of the Finns was never going to happen; they would always lose Karjala, since Petrograd would be too exposed otherwise and would always become a member of the Comintern. The Finns would have to punch well above their weight and the stupidity that Golfman gave to Stalin would have to be applied.
 
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