DBWI: Joan Of Arc Is Burnt At The Stake

Perkeo

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Not quite ASB, but close. The woman was a Saint, even if she was on the French side, the English arent going to murder a saint. Sheesh, and they have a BISHOP being in charge. Give me a break! What was that author smoking?

Joan wasn't canonized until 1720 [OOC] and even that is two full centuries earlier than IOTL [/OOC], despite her and her successors historical merits. And AFAIK ANYONE who ever fought the Maidens of Saint Michael denounced them as witches.
 
OOC: Sorry, I got excited with the possibilities. I should have tried to be more realistic. :)
OOC: No problem; you pushed a good bit of fleshing-out into TTL. :)

IC: Yeah, I've seen those maps too. They always really exasperate me, considering how England's been completely self-governing for the last three hundred years and even had its own foreign ministry for most of them. Now that I think about it, you could almost call the Lethell-Owenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Owen_(theologian) pair an English version of Joan of Arc in spirit. (OOC: Yes, ATL cousins of Speaker Lenthall and Cromwell's chaplain Owen.) It's interesting to contrast how they focused on the condition of the common people and ended up letting the French line keep the crown, with how Joan didn't focus on anything save Charles's crown except when giving her own home village a tax exemption.

And oh yes - I didn't mean to deny that Joan gave Charles confidence. If it wasn't for her, he'd have stayed in the south being blown around by every wind of faction until someone decided it'd be in their best interests to make peace with the English. I still think she meant her letter, though: remember how she advised her brother against serving in the conquest of England? Sure, it might've been for personal reasons, but I think that and the letter together mean she was sincere. As for the "blessed France the firstborn" quote - I hesitate to read anything from her late madness back into any earlier period. Early on, she was only calling herself "daughter of God" in terms any Christian could've used, and that most rarely; later, she was claiming to be God's only messenger and "firstborn of the children" in words that could've better applied to Christ! (Just read the devil's advocate's charges at her canonization hearing.) At the beginning, it's pretty clear she only wore men's clothes for personal safety; on her deathbed, it's said she cursed everyone who wore skirts. Sure, the Abbess of Saint Michael's Maidens might've lied about Joan's last words, but remember that it was in-character enough for the majority of people to believe it...!
 
OOC: I missed that part. Do they use the word cult for a group of supplicators of a specific saint? Maybe she can hold a unique place as the Deborah of Europe. I also was she lived during the 13th century for some reason. I'm rusty at history and bad with dates.
Yea they do-this causes a lot of confusion.
 
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