DBWI: JFK was assassinated

As you all know, JFK started World war 3 in 1964.

But before that, he was nearly shot by lee harvey oswald, but all the shots missed.

WI the shots all hit?
 
OOC: JFK was a dove who didn't challenge the construction of the Berlin Wall. This fantastic distortion of his political views, and that he embraced Detente with the Soviet Union, is so very far from OTL that if you'd meant to call this a factual scenario I'd have had to call BS on it.

IC: Black Day was coming no matter what we would have done. In the Huntington commission, Curtis LeMay of the SAC insisted that the Soviets were planning a launch, and that JFK apparently ordered the SIOP.

Really, then you'd just have Johnson presiding over a nuclear war with the Soviet Union, one where he'd be president for a year before he is reduced to radioactive fallout.
 
OOC: JFK was a dove who didn't challenge the construction of the Berlin Wall. This fantastic distortion of his political views, and that he embraced Detente with the Soviet Union, is so very far from OTL that if you'd meant to call this a factual scenario I'd have had to call BS on it.

IC: Black Day was coming no matter what we would have done. In the Huntington commission, Curtis LeMay of the SAC insisted that the Soviets were planning a launch, and that JFK apparently ordered the SIOP.

Really, then you'd just have Johnson presiding over a nuclear war with the Soviet Union, one where he'd be president for a year before he is reduced to radioactive fallout.

JFK was actually a hawk and a mccarthyist. Look at cuba. Besides, tensions were really high with the soviets, and JFK would have probably been manipulated by khrushchev and lost re-election
 
JFK was actually a hawk and a mccarthyist. Look at cuba. Besides, tensions were really high with the soviets, and JFK would have probably been manipulated by khrushchev and lost re-election

OOC: No he wasn't!

JFK's opponent for president was Richard Nixon, who was a hawk and in league with McCarthy himself. Obviously, JFK doesn't want to appear "soft" on communism, but you've got it backwards...

The situation with Cuba was festering for decades with all of the US manipulation going on there. Batista was essentially a gangster's stooge who left Cuba with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of lewt. As far as I understand Cuba, that was one of many signs that the CIA was going totally nuts. JFK didn't authorize the Bay of Pigs invasion, indeed, the CIA has been a little crazy, at least until the Church Commission in the Carter Presidency forced them to stop their political assassinations.

JFK would probably not have sought re-election for health reasons. Yes tensions were explosive with the Soviet Union, but Khrushchev is getting removed over the Cuban Missile Crisis anyway...

Really, Avalon, please try to create a tighter scenario than just something silly. If I didn't smack this one down many others would have...
 
OOC: No he wasn't!

JFK's opponent for president was Richard Nixon, who was a hawk and in league with McCarthy himself. Obviously, JFK doesn't want to appear "soft" on communism, but you've got it backwards...

The situation with Cuba was festering for decades with all of the US manipulation going on there. Batista was essentially a gangster's stooge who left Cuba with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of lewt. As far as I understand Cuba, that was one of many signs that the CIA was going totally nuts. JFK didn't authorize the Bay of Pigs invasion, indeed, the CIA has been a little crazy, at least until the Church Commission in the Carter Presidency forced them to stop their political assassinations.

JFK would probably not have sought re-election for health reasons. Yes tensions were explosive with the Soviet Union, but Khrushchev is getting removed over the Cuban Missile Crisis anyway...

Really, Avalon, please try to create a tighter scenario than just something silly. If I didn't smack this one down many others would have...

JFK in all actuality, greenlighted the invasion, but withdrew air support. Yes, he was dovish leaning, but he would have given nowhere near the level of Carte Blanche to Mao and the USSR Nixon, ford and carter did.

in fact, he increased CIA ops in Laos and Latin America. Batista was a thug and a crook yes, but so was castro. Military spending increased under JFK.

Khrushchev was removed for many reasons, and Brezhnev was a hardliner as ever.

And assassination is sometimes preferable to war (don't believe me, talk to the victims of Mugabe, Milosevic and Hitler etc.)
 
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