Not to mention that Gov. George P. Bush is debatable in a good position to be our first Latino President - mom was Mexican after all. My money is in either him, Gov. Susana Martinez in New Mexico or Senator Rubio in Flordia.

You guys here Senator Warren's proposal to can expansion plans for Armstrong base in favor of some social program? I'd say promising to gut America's moon base would kill her chances of being President, but I have been wrong before.
 
Not to mention that Gov. George P. Bush is debatable in a good position to be our first Latino President - mom was Mexican after all. My money is in either him, Gov. Susana Martinez in New Mexico or Senator Rubio in Flordia.

You guys here Senator Warren's proposal to can expansion plans for Armstrong base in favor of some social program? I'd say promising to gut America's moon base would kill her chances of being President, but I have been wrong before.

All three of those candidates have superb records. Right now, as the first female President and the first Indian American President, Nikki Haley is doing a pretty good job right now. Elizabeth Warren’s plan to gut the moon base and further space exploration is taking a backseat to her plans to pack the Supreme Court and abolish the electoral college.
 
What do you guys think of the Bush dynasty today? Had Jeb Bush never sought the presidency, or if he moved to a Florida, would it be remembered the same?
 
What do you guys think of the Bush dynasty today? Had Jeb Bush never sought the presidency, or if he moved to a Florida, would it be remembered the same?

I doubt the Bush dynasty would've had a second President if not for Jeb. Dubya just wasn't presidential material.

After eight years of Bush, Senator Hillary Clinton was elected President in 2008. What do you folks think of her legacy?
 
I doubt the Bush dynasty would've had a second President if not for Jeb. Dubya just wasn't presidential material.

After eight years of Bush, Senator Hillary Clinton was elected President in 2008. What do you folks think of her legacy?
She did okay. Not as skilled a politician as her husband, but she also had a tougher Presidency coming in with the financial crisis. Quite frankly, if she didn't have so much personal baggage or was at least made of the same teflon as her husband or Reagan, she would've won a second term by a larger margin. She only narrowly defeated Governor Huntsman.
 
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She did okay. Not as skilled a politician as her husband, but she also had a tougher Presidency coming in with the financial crisis. Quite frankly, if she didn't have so much personal baggage or was at least made of the same teflon as her husband or Reagan, she would've gotten a second term rather than narrowly being defeated by Jon Huntsman.

OOC: if the list of Presidents is Jeb, HRC, Huntsman, then Haley (who is POTUS right now), then how did Haley become President?
 
She did okay. Not as skilled a politician as her husband, but she also had a tougher Presidency coming in with the financial crisis. Quite frankly, if she didn't have so much personal baggage or was at least made of the same teflon as her husband or Reagan, she would've won a second term by a larger margin. She only narrowly defeated Governor Huntsman.

Four years later Haley defeated VP Tim Kaine by a decisive margin. Clinton should have picked Obama as her running mate in 2008. Had he been the nominee in 2016, he could have beaten Haley. Right now he's a prime candidate to take her on in 2020; we'll see how that turns out.
 
When it comes to Hillary Clinton, her election was seen as one of making history regardless of who won in 2008. She defeated Vice President Julius Watts, the first African-American nominee, 316-222 in the electoral college. Her legacy was nearly tarnished in early 2012, when her landmark healthcare bill was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in a controversial 5-4 decision. This nearly cost her the race in 2012. She was later able to pass climate change legislation in early 2014 that was seen as a replacement for the doomed HillaryCare, even though the bill was passed on party-line votes. It caused the Republicans to surge back and regain control of both houses of Congress.

Overall, I think she will be remembered as an endearing president who tried her best to put her country first in all aspects, even when some of those endeavors failed.
 
Four years later Haley defeated VP Tim Kaine by a decisive margin. Clinton should have picked Obama as her running mate in 2008. Had he been the nominee in 2016, he could have beaten Haley. Right now he's a prime candidate to take her on in 2020; we'll see how that turns out.

I’m not sure about that. It was a pretty decisive victory in 2016. Even if it was Obama, he may have been able to stop the hypothetical bleeding, but I don’t know if it would’ve been enough.
 
When it comes to Hillary Clinton, her election was seen as one of making history regardless of who won in 2008. She defeated Vice President Julius Watts, the first African-American nominee, 316-222 in the electoral college. Her legacy was nearly tarnished in early 2012, when her landmark healthcare bill was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in a controversial 5-4 decision. This nearly cost her the race in 2012. She was later able to pass climate change legislation in early 2014 that was seen as a replacement for the doomed HillaryCare, even though the bill was passed on party-line votes. It caused the Republicans to surge back and regain control of both houses of Congress.

Overall, I think she will be remembered as an endearing president who tried her best to put her country first in all aspects, even when some of those endeavors failed.

Huntsman would certainly have won if not for the Constitution Party acting as a spoiler. Their nominee didn't take more than 5% of the vote, but nonetheless the split conservative vote handed Ohio to Clinton in the electoral college. Without that Huntsman would've won Ohio and become President. But at least he later became Secretary of State under Haley as a consolation prize.
 
Huntsman would certainly have won if not for the Constitution Party acting as a spoiler. Their nominee didn't take more than 5% of the vote, but nonetheless the split conservative vote handed Ohio to Clinton in the electoral college. Without that Huntsman would've won Ohio and become President. But at least he later became Secretary of State under Haley as a consolation prize.

Tom Tancredo, man. He became the GOP public enemy #1 after that.
 
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