DBWI: Israel wins Six Day War

And Johnson paid for that in 1968, and everyone who looked like they'd backed supporting the UAR. You'd never have got Reagan without that.

(Paid for it the other way too)

There's a good reason why it took until 1992 for the Democrats to win the White House again; but many people still see them as the party that enabled the "Second Holocaust"

The UAR embassy in London is a bloody fortress. I remember the mortar attack in 1991 and it didn't seem to surprise anyone.

Nothing surprises with the UAR anymore; thank god Ba'athist Iraq has been able to help stop their expansionism.

Through on the matter of the OP, no Arab victory probably means the UAR falls apart, and it probably would mean that Jewish terrorism against the West wouldn't be such a big threat.
 
You know Iraq nearly joined the first UAR and a proposed second one (before the real second one)? Fell apart at the last second. I bet you Iraq would've joined up if the UAR hadn't jumped the gun and steered Saddam Hussein towards a coup. As it is, shit, Iran may have been socialist but "we don't want the UAR taking our stuff" trumped ideology. Lebanon had shown them what could happen otherwise.
 
He just claims it was only a few people and trumped up. He's defended a lot of UAR actions because the West doesn't like them and that's how he rolls. Lebanon? Saving it from the Christian oppressors, natch. If the UAR buddied up to us and relations with Jordan collapsed tomorrow, he'd change his tone about the attempted "liberation".

(Back in his one MP term, he tried to yell some foreign policy wank during Prime Minister's Questions and Charlie Kennedy yawned in the middle of it.)
 
What if Israel's pre-emptive strike hadn't failed? The plan was to wipe out the Egyptian air force on the ground, but the Egyptians had seen that coming. If Israel had been able to quickly and decisively wipe out the Egyptians, could they have had the ability to send their troops across the Sinai?

Or would have the destruction of the Egyptian air force have led to the Jordanians and Syrians moving their troops into Israel within hours of the attack?
 
Well, if the State of Israel managed to exist until the present day, the Jewish Republic wouldn't exist, for one.

After the collapse of Israel, millions of Jews fled to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, in the sympathetic Soviet Union. If Israel continued to exist, then the Jews would have no reason to emigrate to the far East, thus butterflying the JAO's annexation of the Khabarovsk, Primorsky, and Sakhalin Krais, and the eventual formation of the Jewish SSR, and finally the creation of the Jewish Republic following the USSR's collapse.

...In fact, thinking about it, the USSR would probably still exist today if Israel won the Six Day War. The USSR's eventual collapse in 2001 was caused primarily by ethnic tensions in the Jewish SSR, and while ethnic tensions in other SSRs such as Ukraine do exist, they wouldn't be enough to break up the Union.

To be honest, the butterflies would be *massive*. One can't imagine what Palestine would be like if it still contained all those Jews, and in a way it was a good job Israel lost, notwithstanding the tragedy the loss entailed. I think that in such a hostile conflict the winner is doomed to commit genocide on the loser :( At least 60% of the Jews successfully escaped to the USSR. Palestinians wouldn't be as lucky in the same position.
 

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What timeline are you writing from Fluttersky and CharlesRB with your talk of jewish migration to Siberia? Perhaps an alternate one where Soviet-Israeli relations stayed consistently good after the Israeli War of Independence through the 1950s and 1960s?

Of course, as we all know, in the real world fleeing Israelis joined the Diaspora in the west, and would have no truck with the East Bloc. The East Bloc had supplied the Nasserist Arab coalition with the military tools for destroying Israel , and in any case, the jews were not up for taking any chances with dictatorial states in Europe, given their experiences in two consecutive generations.

But, the Israeli jewish diaspora led to a cultural renaissance of American, and in particular western and southern European jewry.

The “first choice” of the refugees was almost always the English-speaking world of the United States, Canada, Britain and the Antipodes. But thriving communities were established in Cyprus, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Iran and France, which were originally seen as only a temporary refuge. By the end of the 1980s, there were even over half a million jews living in Germany and Austria, along with substantial communities in Britain, Scandinavia and the Low Countries.

The countries of western Europe and America did not shut their doors this time, in the prosperous 1960s, so despite Middle East tragedy we can say there was some progress of civilization in the North Atlantic world at least.

Furthermore the arrival of Israeli refugees added to the distinctive jewish identity of the jews in Europe, whose small surviving communities (mainly in France and Britain and Switzerland) had been very assimilated and low-key.

Of course now, in the 21st century, when the biggest lament of jewish clergy and cultural figures is assimilation, most dramatically expressed in the over 50% rate of marrying or cohabiting outside the jewish faith, it is easy to forget the wide effects of the new diaspora on Western and Southern European music, fashion, cuisine (especially fast food shawarma and couscous) and cinema (the revival of the action/adventure genre owed so much to Israeli born directors; remember some of the biggest hits were in the sub-category of “latke westerns” filmed in Italy, Turkey and Iran.)

Also, although its hard to imagine it now given the Iranian monarchy’s power and prestige, but the 1970s were turbulent times for Iran with many riots and campaigns by violent leftist and reactionary movements. The Maccabean guard were key shock troops, along with Savak, in stiffening the Iranian military and quelling disorders.
 
It was a miracle only half a million Jews were killed. The evacuation of Halfi evacuated more than two million Jews, it did help the Arabs just stopped outside the city and trucked Jews to the frontline (Held mainly by American soldiers), and made them walk across into the last small section of Israel. The brave American soldiers who survived the Fall of Halfi in October 1967 are to receive campaign medals now.
 
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