DBWI: Israel Survives into the Present Day
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Most of the Zionists were socialists, or at least very left-wing. Many lived in communes (in Hebrew called kibbutzim). I think the state of Israel would have been friendly to the Soviet Bloc. This would drive the surrounding Arab states to ally with the US and would probably encourage anti-Antisemitism in the West.
Would Israel be able to successfully integrate the Palestinian Arabs, or would there be a massive refugee crisis like OTL (involving Arabs instead of Jews)?
Would Israel be able to successfully integrate the Palestinian Arabs, or would there be a massive refugee crisis like OTL (involving Arabs instead of Jews)?
Maybe the Middle East won't be such a mess.
Really, Israel was the only time they came together. After it was destroyed, all the Arab nations went back to fighting the other, all the way to today.
Really, Israel was the only time they came together. After it was destroyed, all the Arab nations went back to fighting the other, all the way to today.
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The 1978 Saudi-Iraqi War was... particularly brutal, what with 250,000 casualties
This might be ASB, but if Israel survived we might have seen democracy in the Middle East for the first time. But it's hard to imagine in an area dominated by absolute monarchs and authoritarian dictatorships.
Hey, the kingdom of jordan is democratic-ish, and Turkey is a liberal democracy, they even help to keep the balance against Saddam
I'm not feeling it.
We must remember, even before the USSR, Russia was very anti-Semitic, and it got way wrost under Stalin. It's more likely it find a friend in the United States and the West. Reddish? Yes, but a Ally is a ally in the Middle East.
And how would a Jewish state deal with the PLO? The Palestinians got screwed by the other Arab countries when Palestine was divided by the winners and being a plague to Egypt, Syria, and Jordan for years
Indeed
Well, as you said, it wasn't easy for those governments to deal with Habash. A lot of non-Palestinian Arabs felt a sense of duty to their brethren, so within a couple years they had built a network...
I'm not sure how it would go if Israel survived. Probably the Arab states would tolerate the P.L.O.
Would Israel ever establish diplomatic relations with either East or West Germany? Would reparations be paid to the new state?
With an independent Jewish state, the Final Solution might be more widely remembered. I remember it only being mentioned in passing in my history classes, and as far as I know there is even less knowledge of it in the former Soviet bloc.
There will also be some demographic consequences. OTL the US has by far the world's largest Jewish population (especially after Soviet and Polish Jews immigrated here after the fall of the USSR). If Israel survived, the US will have a much smaller Jewish population.
With an independent Jewish state, the Final Solution might be more widely remembered. I remember it only being mentioned in passing in my history classes, and as far as I know there is even less knowledge of it in the former Soviet bloc.
There will also be some demographic consequences. OTL the US has by far the world's largest Jewish population (especially after Soviet and Polish Jews immigrated here after the fall of the USSR). If Israel survived, the US will have a much smaller Jewish population.