DBWI: Israel not a Soviet client state?

I know this maybe ASB, but what if rather than turning to the USSR during 1948 Israel turns to the USA, is there a way to over come they view that the USSR liberated most of the death camps and punished the Germans (where as the US was seen as allowing Nazis help run Germany) and the US's closeness to the colonial power of the UK? what would the middle East look like with sides switched the US supporting Israel and the USSR the Arabs.
 
Well, if Israel is, say, a U.S. client state instead of a Soviet one, then it seems likely that U.S. politicians and the political establishment in the West more generally would be less openly antisemitic.
 
Perhaps if Marshall Trotsky hadn't become the second leader of the USSR? - perhaps if there was a non-Jewish, classically Russian anti-Jewish leader, who then refused to allow large scale Jewish immigration from the USSR this would happen?
 
It's difficult to imagine the USA not propping up the Arabs. I mean, they have the oil, who else would the west back?

Would a western bloc Israel host soldiers from America, like ours has the Red Legion?

Would the alternate Soviets have a rival Jewish homeland, maybe an autonomous zone carved out of Central Asia or the Far East? The USA never quite gave one to the Council of Zion, but their seat in Kiryas Zion in Rockland County, and a few other towns in that county too, could be close if they weren't right at the heart of New York State. The Soviets have seemed more comfortably moving people from one place to another forcibly, at least that century, so I could believe that they would make a homeland from their own territory.
 
Perhaps if Marshall Trotsky hadn't become the second leader of the USSR? - perhaps if there was a non-Jewish, classically Russian anti-Jewish leader, who then refused to allow large scale Jewish immigration from the USSR this would happen?

Your man is that Georgian priest, no wait he abandoned the monastery before finishing, what was his name?...
 
I think you would need a pretty big PoD to get rid of Israel being a Soviet client; the kibbutzim were pretty much perfect breeding grounds for Communist/Socialist ideology.
 
Ok america isnt as antisemitic as wendell said ok the former leader of the republican party said some pretty awful things, but he got replaced pretty quickly and made a public apology. We have the third largest Jewish Diaspora in the world, heck visit alaska some time there are entire villages there where people speak yiddish as their first language.
 

birdboy2000

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I think if the Soviets think they can get better relationships with Israel's neighbors, they might have been less pro-Israeli. Maybe if there were more non-monarchial and less Islamic regimes in the Arab world, the Soviets would have tossed Israel to the wind in order to befriend the others. OTL, it hurt them with the Arabs, but the Arabs hated them already so there was no real downside.
 
Personally, I'm surprised Israel is still standing.

They don't really have all that many friends in the modern era and are surrounded by people that hate them.
 

birdboy2000

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Personally, I'm surprised Israel is still standing.

They don't really have all that many friends in the modern era and are surrounded by people that hate them.

They're much more valuable as a scapegoat than as a rebellious province. And that's if the Arabs *win* - the IDF has trouble getting top-quality arms these days, but they're still an elite military which can probably take any of the Arab armies one on one. The only worse thing than conquering Israel is losing to them.
 
They're much more valuable as a scapegoat than as a rebellious province. And that's if the Arabs *win* - the IDF has trouble getting top-quality arms these days, but they're still an elite military which can probably take any of the Arab armies one on one. The only worse thing than conquering Israel is losing to them.

well that and they have nukes....
 
Your man is that Georgian priest, no wait he abandoned the monastery before finishing, what was his name?...

Funny you'd remember him more for the priest deal than his bank robbery. Iosef Stalin, Joseph Steel in the Western books. He was instrumental in funding the Bolsheviks, but did he really have the ambition or ability to govern the Soviet state? Running off to America should have revealed his desires more clearly for us all: money.

You could butterfly away the entire post-WWII Communist movement by simply pulling a France and granting swift independence to places lndochina. If I recall, Vietnam does rather well under the wing of America, maybe if the European "powers" weren't so wary of American influence, they themselves wouldn't have been prey to the Reds, the Jews included.
 
Perhaps if Britain had agreed to had over power earlier, then the Labour Zionists wouldn't have adopted Democratic Centralism and banned all other political parties when independence was won after Britain was forced to withdraw by force in 1953, forcing all Jews to join moshavim and constructing a massive personality cult around the Labour Zionist leadership. I blame the re-election of Churchill for that, his insistence on keeping every country he could under British rule indefinitely certainly overshadowed any Zionist sympathies he may have had. This, of course, coincides with our blatant support of Commonwealth puppets like the Kingdoms of Iraq and Jordan against Israel, and of the so-called 'Palestinian Monarchy'.

A Capitalist Israel, or at least won with some semblance of a open market, would probably not need to cling to Soviet aid so badly after the disaster of Collectivisation, when the moshavim where turned into much less productive and strictly controlled kibbutzim, resulting a in a famine.

However, given the historical strength of the Labour Zionists a capitalist Israel is unlikely. Perhaps if the Chinese had more international clout, Israel could have become a second Albania and accepted Maoism?
 
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