DBWI:Iran taken over by an anti semitic cleric

samcster94

Banned
The Republic of Iran, a parliamentary democracy comparable to India, except more Islamic, is on of the few Muslim countries to trust the U.S. and Israel. I do remember reading about a hardline, narrow minded mystic , but he died in the 60's and had zero chance of ruling Iran. I don't remember his name, but my goal is for this man to rule Iran and turn Iran into a brutal anti-Semitic theocracy.
 
Not going to happen.

Take a look at a map, between Israel and Iran is a sea of arab countries that officially hate both of them, any bit of real politic ends with Iran being friendly or at worst Neutral with Isreal. Why? Their very far away and not a real threat unless provoked, two you share all the same enemies. Iran isn't friendly with Israel because of some deep friendship their friends because its a practical relationship where both parties get some thing.

The Iranian people are a pragmatic ones, and they would never put the safety of their country at risk by having a pissing contest with some far away nation while the Saudis, Iraqi's, and other countries are saber rattling right at their boarders.
 

samcster94

Banned
Not going to happen.

Take a look at a map, between Israel and Iran is a sea of arab countries that officially hate both of them, any bit of real politic ends with Iran being friendly or at worst Neutral with Isreal. Why? Their very far away and not a real threat unless provoked, two you share all the same enemies. Iran isn't friendly with Israel because of some deep friendship their friends because its a practical relationship where both parties get some thing.

The Iranian people are a pragmatic ones, and they would never put the safety of their country at risk by having a pissing contest with some far away nation while the Saudis, Iraqi's, and other countries are saber rattling right at their boarders.
Maybe a way to keep the monarchy in place longer, or have it fall to Islamists rather than an alliance of democrats(small d) and Communists(who learned to govern as a normal political party).
 

Insider

Banned
Well the relations between Israel and Iran are not as much full of trust as quite assertive, but they are two leading nations in the region, and are bound to compete regardless who would be in charge of either. Of course there is Iraq between them, and Iraq means Saddam, and Saddam means that both Israel and Iran have bigger concerns than each other. Remove Saddam and you would have them fight over leftovers.

But there is a leap of logic in saying that competing with Israel equals antisemitism.
 
Pretty unlikely for Iran and Israel to fall out. The Shi'ites just aren't as opposed to an Israeli state as the Sunnis are (especially Wahhabiist Saudis), and - as has been mentioned - it makes a lot of geopolitical sense for Iran to ally with Israel against their common enemies in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Both have a vested interest in destabilising Syria, too - Israel want a weak state on their borders, whilst Iran want to be able to keep their links through to Lebanon and ultimately the West open (and forcing Iraq to look both ways doesn't hurt, either).

That said, if you really want to get this guy in charge (Khamenei? Khomenei? Something with a kh- at the start, anyway...), then perhaps a way to go about it would be to have the Soviet Union collapse in the 1950s or 1960s, or at least go into a major decline. OTL, the end of the Cold War opened up the Pandora's box of fundamentalism in Central Asia, and whilst there probably wouldn't be anything as serious as the Tashkent Incident in this case, it would certainly mean that America isn't the only defence against the godless communists...
 
Not going to happen.

Take a look at a map, between Israel and Iran is a sea of arab countries that officially hate both of them, any bit of real politic ends with Iran being friendly or at worst Neutral with Isreal. Why? Their very far away and not a real threat unless provoked, two you share all the same enemies. Iran isn't friendly with Israel because of some deep friendship their friends because its a practical relationship where both parties get some thing.

The Iranian people are a pragmatic ones, and they would never put the safety of their country at risk by having a pissing contest with some far away nation while the Saudis, Iraqi's, and other countries are saber rattling right at their boarders.

There is a proverb common to that part of the world: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Iran and Israel may not entirely trust each other, but they trust Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Egypt even less, and they're both aligned with the United States, so they need to work together.
 

samcster94

Banned
Pretty unlikely for Iran and Israel to fall out. The Shi'ites just aren't as opposed to an Israeli state as the Sunnis are (especially Wahhabiist Saudis), and - as has been mentioned - it makes a lot of geopolitical sense for Iran to ally with Israel against their common enemies in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Both have a vested interest in destabilising Syria, too - Israel want a weak state on their borders, whilst Iran want to be able to keep their links through to Lebanon and ultimately the West open (and forcing Iraq to look both ways doesn't hurt, either).

That said, if you really want to get this guy in charge (Khamenei? Khomenei? Something with a kh- at the start, anyway...), then perhaps a way to go about it would be to have the Soviet Union collapse in the 1950s or 1960s, or at least go into a major decline. OTL, the end of the Cold War opened up the Pandora's box of fundamentalism in Central Asia, and whilst there probably wouldn't be anything as serious as the Tashkent Incident in this case, it would certainly mean that America isn't the only defence against the godless communists...
I don't think he would like Russia all that much if he came to power. Even with Israel, he'd probably have some connection if some war with someone else comes up, even if he is an angry, threatening sounding, Holocaust denier.
 
That said, if you really want to get this guy in charge (Khamenei? Khomenei? Something with a kh- at the start, anyway...

I read about that guy. Personality of a rusty garden take. I can't imagine what right-thinking Iranian would possibly think letting him run a church social, let alone a country, was a good idea. Thankfully he faded into obscurity.
 
There is a proverb common to that part of the world: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Iran and Israel may not entirely trust each other, but they trust Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Egypt even less, and they're both aligned with the United States, so they need to work together.

The conflict in Yemen and Djibouti certainly hammers home the necessity of cooperation between those two - Israeli and Iranian soldiers fighting together, backing Shi'ite militants and trying to keep the Red Sea open as a sea lane. Natural alliance - and America's vested interests in Somalia don't hurt either.

I don't think he would like Russia all that much if he came to power. Even with Israel, he'd probably have some connection if some war with someone else comes up, even if he is an angry, threatening sounding, Holocaust denier.

I agree - he'd be almost as opposed to Russia as to the USA. This would probably mean that, in addition to whatever he tried to do to America (not that any options, short of doing a lot of complaining on the diplomatic stage and launching an oil embargo, immediately present themselves), he'd probably work with fundamentalists in Central Asia and the Caucasus (Chechnya, Dagestan, and Azerbaijan being the obvious areas). If there's no USSR, then the international situation means that he can be an enemy of both without getting conveniently deposed by an unofficial agreement...

I read about that guy. Personality of a rusty garden take. I can't imagine what right-thinking Iranian would possibly think letting him run a church social, let alone a country, was a good idea. Thankfully he faded into obscurity.

The only recent thing I can find of him on the Internet is some bizarre statement he made after Ahmadinejad's failed coup in Mashhad, saying that they failed because they weren't extreme enough. The world is definitely better off without someone like that at the head of a nation of Iran's power.
 
It's possible for Iran to be anti-Israel and anti-US: there was a failed communism revolution in Iran. Let it succeed, and Iran became a close ally of the Soviet Union, and remain communism till now like China.
I doubt it should be called antisemitic through.
 

samcster94

Banned
It's possible for Iran to be anti-Israel and anti-US: there was a failed communism revolution in Iran. Let it succeed, and Iran became a close ally of the Soviet Union, and remain communism till now like China.
I doubt it should be called antisemitic through.
It does not have to be Communist to be pro Russia. India was a Russian ally and they are unambiguously a democracy.
 
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