DBWI: If Plan H was never implemented

Wait, didn't Zimmerman admit the telegraph being true? (Iotl: The man was a frst class idiot when he did that)

Well, yes. The man was certainly a world class idiot and the relations between the U.S and Germany take a hit.
But to be fair both sides weren't exactly clean during the war (Germany with Belgium and France with Switzerland)
 

Asami

Banned
Wait, didn't Zimmerman admit the telegraph being true? (Iotl: The man was a frst class idiot when he did that)

Technically, yes. But the telegraph was only planned by the German Foreign Ministry before the British stole drafts of it and attempted to use it to blackmail the US into joining the war. Germany later issued an apology to the United States after the sinking of the Lusitania by the Royal Navy.
 
What was the point of the whole Give Mexico the Southern States deal and Give Japan Hawaii? I'm curious

Also has anyone seen the memorial to the American sailors lost around Brest? I still can't believe the British managed to sink 3 US battleships with nary a hit in return. The Allied field press had a field day and caused Roosevelt to be rempved

(IOTL: The US battlefleet was of the Beatty school of thought)
 

Asami

Banned
Also has anyone seen the memorial to the American sailors lost around Brest? I still can't believe the British managed to sink 3 US battleships with nary a hit in return. The Allied field press had a field day and caused Roosevelt to be rempved

(OOC: I don't think that would really work, that'd be a horrific number of casualties and not really fitting with a US-German victory. The HSF and USN would be easily dispatching the RN if the Central Powers won WWI)
 
(OOC: I don't think that would really work, that'd be a horrific number of casualties and not really fitting with a US-German victory. The HSF and USN would be easily dispatching the RN if the Central Powers won WWI)
OOC:The USN sailors lost at Savo Island would like to have a word with you.
 
(The US battlefleet was incompetent at shooting, they learned little from Manila bay and the British IOTL barely managed to get Arizona and her sisters to basic levels of accuracy by the end) speaking as a staunch American, the Great War was a flop for the US and earned the US a lot of enmity with the former empires especially after Zimmerman which made the US look weak. The best thing the US could've done was sit out the war and not get involved in a 90 year guerilla war (that the Canadians are still fighting.) War with the Japanese 20 years later, and mass spending on the anti Soviet alliance. Remember the outbreaks of violence after the war as the Royal Navy was removed (piratest in the Med and Aden) plus German brutality in Africa that nearly caused the 1959 rift as the Soviet released the genocide of that African people?
 
The US had the disadvantage to fight far from their bases. - Remember the old rule of thumb that you lose 10% of your battleworthiness for each 1000 kilometers sailed without proper R&R... that makes 50% for Boston-Brest - so the outcome was not unexpected. But it gave the Hochseeflotte the opportunity to hit the enemy when artilllery stocks were somewhat depleted...
 
Of course not. We gained some luxuries but there's reasons why there's still violence in Ottawa and Mount Royal; but it's slowly ebbing away... lots of younger people up here don't identify as Canadian these days.
How does it feel to be an active participant in cultural genocide? You might not be why we were invaded, but turning a blind eye to the suffering of millions of French and English Canadians doesn't make you innocent in all this. I mean, fuck, you don't mind us being forced out of our homes, shoved into isolated villages in the far north for the vaguest pretenses? Most of my family was forced out of Montréal for speaking French in public for god's sake. We were just lucky to have been spared from mining goddamn copper up North because we're partly American (through my mother's side while I married an American) and I'm fluent in English.

I don't support murdering American servicemen or yankee migrants, but it's hard to oppose the FLC/LFC when the average American is completely blind to how your government treats us. I mean, you said it yourself: You're happy that we were expelled and that you now have a summer home in Québec. I mean, seriously? You worry about your fucking summer home that was stolen from someone else? I hope you were being sarcastic and I misunderstood you.

Anyways, I think I'm more offended by your statement that the Canadian Independence movement is dwindling. I know there's a lot of propaganda being pumped out of DC and the 'free' press, but that's an absurd notion. Sure, the FLC has been losing support, but only because most of us are being careful and supporting non-violent movements like the MNDC/NDMC since they were legalised (for now).

At this point, I can only hope that the US continues its path towards reform. It's hard to believe how it's almost becoming a pariah state like England was, the whole reason we were invaded (we had already cut ties with the Commonwealth by then, too, but you won't see that in history books). The irony is ludicrous. Thankfully, the European press has been more and more vocal about blatant human rights abuse here...

Peut-être qu'un jour, le Canada sera pour les Canadiens encore une fois...

(( Hope my RP didn't come off too over-the-top or rude. I couldn't help but write something when my hometown is being Americanised to hell in this ATL, but it's all in good fun (and weird to act like such a nationalist; so strange!). :coldsweat:

FLC/LFC: Front de Libération du Canada / Liberation Front of Canada - Meant to be an OTL FLQ or IRA analog in Canada; so a natonalist terrorist group.

MNDC/NDMC: Mouvement National-Démocratique du Canada / National-Democratic Movement of Canada - A big-tent/centrist, non-violent independence movement.

Because any Canadian thing needs to be bilingual, of course! ))
 
How does it feel to be an active participant in cultural genocide? You might not be why we were invaded, but turning a blind eye to the suffering of millions of French and English Canadians doesn't make you innocent in all this. I mean, fuck, you don't mind us being forced out of our homes, shoved into isolated villages in the far north for the vaguest pretenses? Most of my family was forced out of Montréal for speaking French in public for god's sake. We were just lucky to have been spared from mining goddamn copper up North because we're partly American (through my mother's side while I married an American) and I'm fluent in English.

I don't support murdering American servicemen or yankee migrants, but it's hard to oppose the FLC/LFC when the average American is completely blind to how your government treats us. I mean, you said it yourself: You're happy that we were expelled and that you now have a summer home in Québec. I mean, seriously? You worry about your fucking summer home that was stolen from someone else? I hope you were being sarcastic and I misunderstood you.

Anyways, I think I'm more offended by your statement that the Canadian Independence movement is dwindling. I know there's a lot of propaganda being pumped out of DC and the 'free' press, but that's an absurd notion. Sure, the FLC has been losing support, but only because most of us are being careful and supporting non-violent movements like the MNDC/NDMC since they were legalised (for now).

At this point, I can only hope that the US continues its path towards reform. It's hard to believe how it's almost becoming a pariah state like England was, the whole reason we were invaded (we had already cut ties with the Commonwealth by then, too, but you won't see that in history books). The irony is ludicrous. Thankfully, the European press has been more and more vocal about blatant human rights abuse here...

Peut-être qu'un jour, le Canada sera pour les Canadiens encore une fois...

(( Hope my RP didn't come off too over-the-top or rude. I couldn't help but write something when my hometown is being Americanised to hell in this ATL, but it's all in good fun (and weird to act like such a nationalist; so strange!). :coldsweat:

FLC/LFC: Front de Libération du Canada / Liberation Front of Canada - Meant to be an OTL FLQ or IRA analog in Canada; so a natonalist terrorist group.

MNDC/NDMC: Mouvement National-Démocratique du Canada / National-Democratic Movement of Canada - A big-tent/centrist, non-violent independence movement.

Because any Canadian thing needs to be bilingual, of course! ))
As a Mixed Republican (not those old crones) I only hope President Teller can convince the government to abolish the One Language policy in Canada. And I'm sorry for the decades of anger you've taken. As I said the First World War was a tragedy that England and the US should've gotten out of as soon as possible. Now we have Vickers and the rest of the lot being the armament industry of the world. We're mocked by everyone, and all of Africa hates us.

The only good thing was legAL desegregation and Blitzkrieg when that Black Colonel in the outskirts of Paris saves thousands of US and German troops when he initiated the Lance tactic with captured French and British tanks. He saved Roosevelt and the man subsequently introduced it.
 
((OOC: The RN sank the Lusitania, a RN auxiliary? Why should the US be interested in a British friendly fire incident?))
 
The Swiss freeze all bank accounts from Entente nations.
The French military leadership is ordered by their government to withdraw their forces, imeadetly.
 
The Swiss freeze all bank accounts from Entente nations.
The French military leadership is ordered by their government to withdraw their forces, imeadetly.
The French really confused everyone, Asquith was right in trying to get a seprate peace treaty (which the Kaiser almost jumped in joy for and the generals wanted). Pity he died
 
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