DBWI: how did you live the war?
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Goddamned ICMAG. They're almost as bad as the yankees and greasers, maybe even worse. We'll get even with you, soon as we get more support from the damned brits. The Lone Star Nation stands alone!
Dynamitard said:
There are still jews in the south? I thoughout all of the precivil war ones were gone by the 1920s and most of NA's jewish immigration was concentrated in Canada, The Great Lakes, and East Coast.
Actually...
No wonder they call it,"Fool the Colonial"!! Obviously you haven't been to the Cyril Burt Laboratories of the Royal Eugenics Society (RES) in London. If you had, you would have been familiarized with the scientific evidence which points to the intellectual inferiority of certain races. Just consider that this was the reason the United States collapsed so completely after 1918. After 2 generations of miscegenation and race-mixing, your national bloodline couldn't sustain itself...
(OOC: Just consider that without the Nazis and Hitler, Eugenics would have the same mainstream appeal it had in the 1890s-1920s, just read The Great Gatsby to see how prevalent eugenics was in polite society. Also consider that Jack London, an admitted Socialist called for the use of biological weapons against the "Yellow Menace".)
Dynamitard said:
No wonder they call it,"Fool the Colonial"!! Obviously you haven't been to the Cyril Burt Laboratories of the Royal Eugenics Society (RES) in London. If you had, you would have been familiarized with the scientific evidence which points to the intellectual inferiority of certain races. Just consider that this was the reason the United States collapsed so completely after 1918. After 2 generations of miscegenation and race-mixing, your national bloodline couldn't sustain itself...
(OOC: Just consider that without the Nazis and Hitler, Eugenics would have the same mainstream appeal it had in the 1890s-1920s, just read The Great Gatsby to see how prevalent eugenics was in polite society. Also consider that Jack London, an admitted Socialist called for the use of biological weapons against the "Yellow Menace".)
Didn't the first seccession happen in the most-white bred, redneck society (CSA), just consider that no seccession follow racial line in North America merely regional one and also it always looked to me Eugenic society in Europe were always pseudo-scientific "dating club" more than anything. Eugenical is forbidden in every american nation (although there is segreagation in some part which is a shame)
Eugenical purpose destroy all love in a relation and put purpose above all else and that's sad(ok this is weird coming from a guy know to every single bordello and had one night stand all over North America during the war and a bit latter)
Eugenical purpose destroy all love in a relation and put purpose above all else and that's sad(ok this is weird coming from a guy know to every single bordello and had one night stand all over North America during the war and a bit latter)
Kidblast said:
Actually, I was joking. I'm retired now, and work as a Diamond Dealer in Tel Aviv. I was born in the ICMAG in Vicksburg, Mississippi.
There were still Jews, but most left by the 1930s. There were still a few in the major cities. I think there were 30,000 Jews in the whole country. Not a whole bunch, but still a sizeable minority.
What Do You Mean...
Why should we take the political advice of a nation who has collapsed. Just consider that eugenics is a safe and recognized scientific practice that has been recognized since the 1880s. But if you can't take the advice of your elders, consider the advice of your own liberal and leftist countrymen, such
as David Starr Jordan, Robert Latham Owen, William Allen Wilson, Harry Emerson Fosdick, Robert Latou Dickinson, Katherine Bement Davis, Virginia Gildersleeve, Jack London, Paul Ehrlich, Margaret Sanger, Nikola Tesla, and Woodrow Wilson...
(OOC: In OTL, all of these people did support eugenics, including sterilization. The scary part is that they weren't from the South but from New England, California, and New York. In fact, Eugenics was created in the United States, not in Germany)
Redem said:
Why should we take the political advice of a nation who has collapsed. Just consider that eugenics is a safe and recognized scientific practice that has been recognized since the 1880s. But if you can't take the advice of your elders, consider the advice of your own liberal and leftist countrymen, such
as David Starr Jordan, Robert Latham Owen, William Allen Wilson, Harry Emerson Fosdick, Robert Latou Dickinson, Katherine Bement Davis, Virginia Gildersleeve, Jack London, Paul Ehrlich, Margaret Sanger, Nikola Tesla, and Woodrow Wilson...
(OOC: In OTL, all of these people did support eugenics, including sterilization. The scary part is that they weren't from the South but from New England, California, and New York. In fact, Eugenics was created in the United States, not in Germany)
Redem said:
CSA, he was Virginian born and raised. Intelligent man except when it came to ruling his country. But he had a knack for making enemies and his blind idealism would be the death of him.
Obviously....
Apparently you don't know your own history too well. Just consider the following dates:
March 21, 1928
Sexual Sterilization Act becomes law in Alberta. 5 years later Germany does the same...
October 25, 1929
The Eugenics Board is established, and orders for sterilizations are commenced.
October, 1929 - February, 1972
2,832 sterilization procedures are performed in Alberta (55 of these took place in the final year of it's authority).
(OOC: This is all true, and was actually promoted at the national level until 1945 in OTL. The sad part is that sterilization was concentrated on Native Americans and immigrant populations. As such, in the ATL, considering the power of British influence, and lack of Holocaust world experience, Canada would have practiced eugenics and sterilization until today)
Redem said:
Apparently you don't know your own history too well. Just consider the following dates:
March 21, 1928
Sexual Sterilization Act becomes law in Alberta. 5 years later Germany does the same...
October 25, 1929
The Eugenics Board is established, and orders for sterilizations are commenced.
October, 1929 - February, 1972
2,832 sterilization procedures are performed in Alberta (55 of these took place in the final year of it's authority).
(OOC: This is all true, and was actually promoted at the national level until 1945 in OTL. The sad part is that sterilization was concentrated on Native Americans and immigrant populations. As such, in the ATL, considering the power of British influence, and lack of Holocaust world experience, Canada would have practiced eugenics and sterilization until today)
Actually...
Actually, it was much worse than that.According to the Canadian Encyclopedia, eugenics was certainly a lot more widespread than you would like to believe. One citing states:
One of eugenics' earliest advocates in Canada was the psychiatrist Charles Kirk Clarke, who took the lead in connecting "feeble-mindedness" to immigration, deprecating the peoples of central and eastern Europe as "defectives." But the person who did more than anyone to persuade Canadians of the need for eugenics was Helen MacMurchy, who in 1915 became Ontario's "inspector of the feeble-minded." She guided the National Council of Women to endorse sterilization as a means of preventing mothers from "filling the cradles with degenerate babies."
Women's suffrage and temperance groups played particularly compelling roles in the eugenics movement. They had their greatest influence in Alberta, where Canada's first woman magistrate Emily Murphy lectured widely on the dangers of bad genes. "Insane people," she proclaimed, "are not entitled to progeny." Another prominent campaigner for sterilization was the suffragist Liberal MLA Nellie McClung, whose promotion of the benefits of sterilization, especially for "young simple-minded girls," was vital to the passage of eugenics legislation in Alberta. Another of the "Famous Five," the Hon. Irene Parlby, repeatedly alarmed the public to the growing rate at which the "mentally deficient" were propagating. Her "great and only solution to the problem" was sterilization.
See: http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=ArchivedFeatures&Params=A2126
As such, it was certainly a powerful movement in Alberta, Ontario, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan.
(OOC: A logical explanation has to be made explaining why the political movement lost steam in those provinces, while preventing the rise of secessionist movements. Saying that it was a "province" domain actually helps to cause Canada to collapse...)
Redem said:
Actually, it was much worse than that.According to the Canadian Encyclopedia, eugenics was certainly a lot more widespread than you would like to believe. One citing states:
One of eugenics' earliest advocates in Canada was the psychiatrist Charles Kirk Clarke, who took the lead in connecting "feeble-mindedness" to immigration, deprecating the peoples of central and eastern Europe as "defectives." But the person who did more than anyone to persuade Canadians of the need for eugenics was Helen MacMurchy, who in 1915 became Ontario's "inspector of the feeble-minded." She guided the National Council of Women to endorse sterilization as a means of preventing mothers from "filling the cradles with degenerate babies."
Women's suffrage and temperance groups played particularly compelling roles in the eugenics movement. They had their greatest influence in Alberta, where Canada's first woman magistrate Emily Murphy lectured widely on the dangers of bad genes. "Insane people," she proclaimed, "are not entitled to progeny." Another prominent campaigner for sterilization was the suffragist Liberal MLA Nellie McClung, whose promotion of the benefits of sterilization, especially for "young simple-minded girls," was vital to the passage of eugenics legislation in Alberta. Another of the "Famous Five," the Hon. Irene Parlby, repeatedly alarmed the public to the growing rate at which the "mentally deficient" were propagating. Her "great and only solution to the problem" was sterilization.
See: http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=ArchivedFeatures&Params=A2126
As such, it was certainly a powerful movement in Alberta, Ontario, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan.
(OOC: A logical explanation has to be made explaining why the political movement lost steam in those provinces, while preventing the rise of secessionist movements. Saying that it was a "province" domain actually helps to cause Canada to collapse...)
Is That Why...
Yes, but under the 1963 National Homelands Act and the 1980 Homelands Registration/Passport Act, most Inuit are trapped on Nunavit and Nunatsiavut with little to no chance of political and/or economic survival. The 1988 student riots in Whapmagoostui certainly have caught international attention. Also consider that the 1997 "State of Emergency" declared by P.M. R. Gordon Brosseuk seems to have shown a dark side to Canada's benign nature. Sooner or later Canada is going to implode!!
Redem said:
Yes, but under the 1963 National Homelands Act and the 1980 Homelands Registration/Passport Act, most Inuit are trapped on Nunavit and Nunatsiavut with little to no chance of political and/or economic survival. The 1988 student riots in Whapmagoostui certainly have caught international attention. Also consider that the 1997 "State of Emergency" declared by P.M. R. Gordon Brosseuk seems to have shown a dark side to Canada's benign nature. Sooner or later Canada is going to implode!!