DBWI: Hitler's Assassin Missed

What do you think would happen if Hitler wasn't assassinated in 1939? Would Germany still break out into civil war and/or still go Communist?
 
What do you think would happen if Hitler wasn't assassinated in 1939? Would Germany still break out into civil war and/or still go Communist?

The fact that his assassin was a freelance Communist produced a backlash against other German Communists. The Soviets truly pulled off a coup here, just when everyone thought German Communism was dead in the water.
 
Communist? Yes, that is if you are going to believe the history Soviets placed in order to make themselves look better for cooperating with Hitler. It was all probably cooked by that German fellow who succeeded Beria as chief of NKVD. But everyone knows it was Himmler who did that. We do not have his confession to this effect but he committed suicide when Abwehr came to arrest him. Goering and Diels later produced evidence to this effect.

And lone bomber in the worlds most police states of all... Come on.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
The Civil War is unlikely. Hitler was damn charismatic and would have used the attempt to spur anti-communist sentiment. He'd probably attack the Soviets in the near future as a result. Imagine, the Swastika over St. Basil's... likely Hitler and Goebbels would spin the war as some sort of Crusade, maybe get Britain and America to commit troops alongside Italy, Hungary and Romania (Who ran extensive anti-communist operations before the Fascist Spring in '45). France would be unlikely to help; their invasion of the Saar and allowance for the Swiss annexation of Vorarlberg after the Civil War showed their disdain for the Germans.
 
I wonder if Finland would of invaded Russia when everyone else was also or would they like in OTL been one of the soviets few allies?
 
What I'd wonder as to is the status of Japan. In OTL the Japanese tied up so many Soviet troops in the Far East that the Allied forces were able to hold the line in France. It's a little known fact, but the Japs were actually considering allying with Hitler before his death. Could we get an earlier Indian War against the Brits?
 
What I'd wonder as to is the status of Japan. In OTL the Japanese tied up so many Soviet troops in the Far East that the Allied forces were able to hold the line in France. It's a little known fact, but the Japs were actually considering allying with Hitler before his death

Japan wouldn't have done so well for itself without that war. OK, they had some majorly lean years after the war...but they still have Sakhalin and Eastern Siberia, and the oil and metal and living space that came with those.
 
Imagine, the Swastika over St. Basil's... likely Hitler and Goebbels would spin the war as some sort of Crusade, maybe get Britain and America to commit troops alongside Italy, Hungary and Romania

I wouldn't go that far. Britain was extremely worried about Hitler and was preparing for war with him (we forgot how big a thing was this), almost as much as we were about Stalin - we'd have let them kill each other. Mussolini was a tit but not enough of a tit to get involved in a war where he'd be the junior partner. America... hmmm. That's a tough one.

Spain would definitely have gone though. That'd be Franco's chance to get revenge on Stalin for backing the republicans.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
I wouldn't go that far. Britain was extremely worried about Hitler and was preparing for war with him (we forgot how big a thing was this), almost as much as we were about Stalin - we'd have let them kill each other. Mussolini was a tit but not enough of a tit to get involved in a war where he'd be the junior partner. America... hmmm. That's a tough one.

Spain would definitely have gone though. That'd be Franco's chance to get revenge on Stalin for backing the republicans.

Sorry, my assessment was based on the events in the Kaiser Wilhelm Canal during the Civil War when we helped Doenitz recapture it from the Communists. When your nations go through that, the history books tend to glaze over the buildup after Munich to 'preserve the friendship'.

Hmm, Spain and the other nations are likely to fight, although Italy would be tricky. If Italy turned to Russia though, we could avoid the Italo-Swiss War. America would probably not go for boots on the ground, but more a material approach. Yes, there was land lease, but they and the British were more concerned with the strengthen of Russia than the Fascists of Berlin. After all, the UK did send war ships to East Prussia as a show of force.
 
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If Italy turned to Russia though, we could avoid the Italo-Swiss War.

I like how you just say Italo-Swiss War like we can't fathom that Mussolini wouldn't invade Greece and get his arse kicked. And who can! Metaxas' Greece was a country that ate armies. Even Germany would have been mauled.

to be fair, somebody had to intervene in Switzerland in 1941 but to be unfair, urg Duce Bag.
 
Sorry, my assessment was based on the events in the Kaiser Wilhelm Canal during the Civil War when we helped Doenitz recapture it from the Communists. When your nations go through that, the history books tend to glaze over the buildup after Munich to 'preserve the friendship'.

Hmm, Spain and the other nations are likely to fight, although Italy would be tricky. If Italy turned to Russia though, we could avoid the Italo-Swiss War. America would probably not go for boots on the ground, but more a material approach. Yes, there was land lease, but they and the British were more concerned with the strengthen of Russia than the Fascists of Berlin. After all, the UK did send war ships to East Prussia as a show of force.
OOC: Hermann Goering was more likely to succeed Hitler at that point in time.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
OOC: Hermann Goering was more likely to succeed Hitler at that point in time.

OOC: I know, my reference to Doenitz was that he's running operation in the North, not that he's leading Germany. Actually, I shouldn't have written Doenitz, I should have written Erich Raeder as he was Grand Admiral at this point.
 
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