An obscure anti-sematic politician named Adolf Hitler attempted to take over Bavaria in a coup and then march on to Berlin and was shot by the Bavarian State Police. What if he wasn't killed? Could he have taken over Bavaria? If he did could he have marched on to Berlin and taken over the Weimer Republic?
DBWI: Hitler survive the Beer Hall Putsch
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Sounds ASB for him to take over Germany, but we can't underestimate the anger against Versailles at the time. If Adolf was shrewd and manipulative enough, he might - just might - find a way into power in Berlin.
Yes, there was Mussolini's "March on Rome" to consider. It was one of the inspirations for this coup attempt. If Mussolini could pull it off maybe this guy can as well.
Trying to find Hitler on Pipikedia.
Too lazy to look up obscure stuff.
Some background on this individual, please?
Edit: What came first, Weimar Republic, or this sweet dog breed?
Too lazy to look up obscure stuff.
Some background on this individual, please?
Edit: What came first, Weimar Republic, or this sweet dog breed?
At least the Italian army lacks the competence to execute Mussolini's dreams of a New Roman Empire, which is why he quietly shelved it.
Can you imagine the fearsome German army under Hitler's control?
And his ramblings about Jews?At least the Italian army lacks the competence to execute Mussolini's dreams of a New Roman Empire, which is why he quietly shelved it.
Can you imagine the fearsome German army under Hitler's control?
So that's what he was into? Military adventure and down with Jews? You sure he isn't Russian?
Trying to find Hitler on Pipikedia.
Too lazy to look up obscure stuff.
Some background on this individual, please?
Edit: What came first, Weimar Republic, or this sweet dog breed?
He was a corporeal/failed artist who tried to launch a coup in Bavaria and was shot. He was strongly anti-Sematic, anti-republic and anti-Slavic. He was a bigoted, narrow minded far rightest with a Napoleon complex.
Pretty sure he'll end up as just another of the zillion right-wing whackjobs running around post-war Germany. The whole Beer Hall fiasco does not inspire confidence in his ability to accomplish anything. There's a reason he was a corporal and not an officer.
Even if he survived the Putsch attempt, he'll end up in prison or even shot, so how is he supposed to take over Bavaria, anyway?
Even if he survived the Putsch attempt, he'll end up in prison or even shot, so how is he supposed to take over Bavaria, anyway?
It's a long shot, but if Johnny Turtledove can make a plausible TL.....let's just say that Hitler, if he were to survive & take over, somehow, would make OTL's Germany look like a cakewalk.
And, in OTL's Germany just before the war, there were state-sponsored assassinations, labor camps for Marxists and other dissidents, and several hundreds of thousands of Jews & Gypsies were deported out of the country(most of whom did not return after WWII ended), leftist or not.
But if Hitler's unfinished autobio is anything to go on, he would have turned that all up to 11. Scary, scary, dude, this man was.
Hardly, even if Adolph Hitler had been able to take the Bavarian Ministry of Defense, the fact remains that von Kahr and the triumvirate he had formed with the Reichswehr stationed in Bavaria and the State Police would not bow to his will. The Kampfbund was large but frankly no more than a concentrated rabble. Now, if an earlier POD had lead to von Kahr and Rechswehr members agreeing to support Hitler's plan to take the capital, it's possible, but even then, the sheer radical and anti-establishment overtones of the National Socialists would be to much to accept. Unless Rosenberg, Rohm and certain other undesirables could be taken out of the picture, and men like Hafnstaengl and von Scheubner-Richter heightened in Hitler's political esteem, it is very unlikely that the Nazis would have had any ability to take power in Germany.
But the world as we know, where Hitler was felled as his friend and ally, von Scheubner-Richter embraced his friend in revolutionary fervor. But is VSR had been killed by the bullet to the throat? And if Hitler had used his famed speaking abilities to persuade the court? Perhaps they all could've avoided the hangman's gallows and, perhaps, just perhaps, forged themselves on a road to destiny. But to ponder such things would indeed, at this point, be folly.
But the world as we know, where Hitler was felled as his friend and ally, von Scheubner-Richter embraced his friend in revolutionary fervor. But is VSR had been killed by the bullet to the throat? And if Hitler had used his famed speaking abilities to persuade the court? Perhaps they all could've avoided the hangman's gallows and, perhaps, just perhaps, forged themselves on a road to destiny. But to ponder such things would indeed, at this point, be folly.
I've thought of this timeline:
Hitler and Ludendorf are arrested and tried for treason. Hitler uses his oratory skills to turn the trial into a soapbox. Due to public sympathy, he is convicted and given a slap in the wrist sentence, sent to a rather comfortable prison. He uses his "prison" term to network and maybe write a book.
After he's released, initially he fades into obscurity. The German economy was doing well at least in the 20s.
Then comes the Wall Street crash. It would have happened sooner or later. As IOTL, western leaders bungle the response, making unemployment soar higher than it could have.
Hitler exploits this opportunity to outmaneuver his way into power. By blaming the Jews for the crash, the socialists for allowing the Jews to control Germany, etc...
Hitler and Ludendorf are arrested and tried for treason. Hitler uses his oratory skills to turn the trial into a soapbox. Due to public sympathy, he is convicted and given a slap in the wrist sentence, sent to a rather comfortable prison. He uses his "prison" term to network and maybe write a book.
After he's released, initially he fades into obscurity. The German economy was doing well at least in the 20s.
Then comes the Wall Street crash. It would have happened sooner or later. As IOTL, western leaders bungle the response, making unemployment soar higher than it could have.
Hitler exploits this opportunity to outmaneuver his way into power. By blaming the Jews for the crash, the socialists for allowing the Jews to control Germany, etc...
Mussolini had much more support. Also Italy at the time was ripe for a right wing government. They felt like they were cheated out of their spoils. Germany on the other hand certainly suffered a good deal of national humiliation but they knew they lost by and large. They weren't cheated but were suffering under a defeat not a weak government.
PoeFacedKilla
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OOC: alot of the things being said could only be known by a person who has read mein Kampf, or lived in OTL.
karikon
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I think the average german is to intelligent to fall for ridiculous unrefined demagoguery of the ,,jews are out to get us,,.
OOC: All of what I said, would be completely within the bounds of history. Even if it had failed, there would be historical information on the abortive coup.