DBWI: hitler never had a daughter.

True enough, but consider that they often cite the event as one of the events that signalled the "moral superiority" of the West over the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union. Also consider the fact that presentation of the remains of Joseph P. Kennedy Jr., to President John F. Kennedy in 1962, served to create greater cultural ties with Europe that exist to this day.
that giving the remains to JFK always kinda creeps me out
 
Anyway, it was that same ceremonial transfer of power that served to define the form and fashion of the "New Europe" in 1962, much in the same way that the election of African-American Andrew Young (D-GA) served to signal the rise of the "New South" in 1981. Eva Raubel served to redefine the way saw Europe, rather than as a series of client states or a group of potential antagonists, but as a series of full-fledged partners...

Does anyone think that the character of Lieutenant Hans Zimmer, the ship's security officer, would have been created for Star Trek in 1966, without the presence of Eva Raubel?
 
Anyway, it was that same ceremonial transfer of power that served to define the form and fashion of the "New Europe" in 1962, much in the same way that the election of African-American Andrew Young (D-GA) served to signal the rise of the "New South" in 1981. Eva Raubel served to redefine the way saw Europe, rather than as a series of client states or a group of potential antagonists, but as a series of full-fledged partners...
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even though most of western europe is peaceful, we still have all those problems in former yugosalvia and eastern germany is still messed up
 
even though most of western europe is peaceful, we still have all those problems in former yugosalvia and eastern germany is still messed up
Good Grief!!! Why is it that Western Europe is still using the minor terrorist attacks by Serb and Croat nationalists (e.g. Slobodan Milosevic) to deny Yugoslavia membership into the European Union since 1992? No one seemed to mind the reunified state of Germany when it applied initially in 1989...
 
Good Grief!!! Why is it that Western Europe is still using the minor terrorist attacks by Serb and Croat nationalists (e.g. Slobodan Milosevic) to deny Yugoslavia membership into the European Union since 1992? No one seemed to mind the reunified state of Germany when it applied initially in 1989...
we all know what yuogslavia did to various ethnic groups in the country, why do you think it fell apart, theres not even a yugoslavia anymore there is just a serbia, along with montrerago, Macedonia, kosovo, slovenia, and the republic of Bosnia and Croatia
 
we all know what yuogslavia did to various ethnic groups in the country, why do you think it fell apart, theres not even a yugoslavia anymore there is just a serbia, along with montrerago, Macedonia, kosovo, slovenia, and the republic of Bosnia and Croatia
That's only because the right-wing Catholic-led forces (e.g. Italy) within the European Union decided to back the forces of Croatia, Bosnia, and Albania, as opposed to supporting the forces of Serbia like Greece. If they had joined the Serbians against the Muslim rebels, Europe might still have an Eiffel Tower....

OOC: I have actually heard Serbian friends make similar claims about U.S. involvement in Yugoslavia in 1995-1998.
 
That's only because the right-wing Catholic-led forces (e.g. Italy) within the European Union decided to back the forces of Croatia, Bosnia, and Albania, as opposed to supporting the forces of Serbia like Greece. If they had joined the Serbians against the Muslim rebels, Europe might still have an Eiffel Tower....

OOC: I have actually heard Serbian friends make similar claims about U.S. involvement in Yugoslavia in 1995-1998.
you can't blame france ang germany for being mad over the loss of th eiffel tower and the brandenburg gate
 
One more celebrity that was never born? Probably. Think of a world without Angelina Jolie and that's the likely consequence of a world without Eva Raubal.
Angelina Jolie?!? I hate thinking she became popular with Last Days in Berlin, which is probably her worst part to this day. She doesn't, can't and didn't even try to look like Eva Raubal.
 
Angelina Jolie?!? I hate thinking she became popular with Last Days in Berlin, which is probably her worst part to this day. She doesn't, can't and didn't even try to look like Eva Raubal.
I hate when people don't even look like the person they are playing
 
OOC: It's VERY important to recognize that Hitler's Daughter stands no chance of ever serving in elected office, and is very likely to leave Germany or Austria as a result of very negative publicity. Again, take a good look at Stalin's daughter, Svetlana.

IC: That's right. I find it hard to believe that the whole Angelina Jolie movie about "Sins of the Father" started her career with a campy, outright-ASB story about Eva Raubal somehow able to become a German Chancellor at the age of 25!!!

Very clearly, you guys seem to have latched too far onto this movie, and not so much at the drug-addicted woman that eventually moved to Argentina to get away from the paparazzi. Eva Raubal, until her fatal cocaine overdose in 1997, was disliked because of her family. But perhaps more to humanity's credit, Hitler almost certainly had sick ideas about what role she would play in his master plan--and I'm not entirely convinced that Eva Raubal (in her teens in 1945) was the unwitting dupe she claims to have been after the war.

Thank goodness went to Argentina.

In the end though, how much of this really matters to anyone? Golly. If Eva Raubal wasn't all over the tabloids I doubt I would have heard anything about her, and frankly those tabloids are annoying pieces of gossip anyhow.
 
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