DBWI: Hitler Is Rejected from Art School

[SpanishSpy]

We all remember Adolf Hitler as the artist who defended the classical Western tradition of painting in the face of the Socialist Realism preferred by Communist states such as the USSR and the Socialist Republic of Germany.

What if, for some reason, the art school in Vienna rejects him? How does art continue from there?

 

[A Random Person]

We all remember Adolf Hitler as the artist who defended the classical Western tradition of painting in the face of the Socialist Realism preferred by Communist states such as the USSR and the Socialist Republic of Germany.

What if, for some reason, the art school in Vienna rejects him? How does art continue from there?

Jail perhaps, didn't he pain sexually provocative pictures of his children? I may be a prude, but I think it is wrong to exploit your young that way.

 

[DAv]

I hardly think he would have done much outside of his chosen profession, not with his political views. It was only his favour with the high art circles that allowed him to express himself in the manner in which he did.

 

[Altzek]

Who in God's name is "Hitler"?

 

[Xgentis]

Who in God's name is "Hitler"?

No idea never heard of him.

 

[SpanishSpy]

No idea never heard of him.

I would have imagined that something about Art History would be frequented by people who have an interest in it.

He was an Austrian painter whose classical, realistic-styled paintings were considered the foremost of European Art while cheap, stylized art was produced in the socialist states in Europe. His work was banned in Germany, Poland, the USSR, and other countries.

 

[Altzek]

Alright, read on the internet some article here and there, and it turns out this guy was quite much a racist, German suprematist prick.


Damn, no idea.
Maybe an edgy comedian trying to have success whilst spreading his ideas through racist jokes?
I dunno, really...

 

[SpanishSpy]

Alright, read on the internet some article here and there, and it turns out this guy was quite much a racist, German suprematist prick.


Damn, no idea.
Maybe an edgy comedian trying to have success whilst spreading his ideas through racist jokes?
I dunno, really...

I would guess he would have been some grumpy old man with a "stab in the back" obsession in Vienna. No harm to anything major.

 

[Alex1guy]

Ummm who the fuck cares? Seriously the Encyclopaedia Britannica Online thing has like three sentences about him. Why even bring this up?!

 

[GiantMonkeyMan]

The art world isn't going to change much. There was always going to be artists trumpeted as great 'defenders' of classical western styles during the red scare era. Personally, I always preferred the socialist realism.

 

[SpanishSpy]

The art world isn't going to change much. There was always going to be artists trumpeted as great 'defenders' of classical western styles during the red scare era. Personally, I always preferred the socialist realism.

You mean that silhouette-like, industrial-looking stuff from artists like Adlersflugel*? Seems awfully monotonous to me.

OOC: *I made him up right now.

 

[Carl Schwamberger]

I suspose someone has a argument this guy would have gone into politics and affected the course of political events in Austria, Bavaria, or somewhere?

"He was an Austrian painter whose classical, realistic-styled paintings were considered the foremost of European Art while cheap, stylized art was produced in the socialist states in Europe. His work was banned in Germany, Poland, the USSR, and other countries."

Probablly would have remained totaly forgotten if the Facist counter revolution of the latter 1920s/early 30s had not restored the middle class in those nations. Also he fell in with that one shot wonder of a publicist Gobbels. I think without Gobbels sales talent Adolph Hitler would have been even more obscure.

You mean that silhouette-like, industrial-looking stuff from artists like Adlersflugel*? Seems awfully monotonous to me.

OOC: *I made him up right now.

I've regarded Mies or Speer as the worst of that lot. Speers buildings look like the movie set for some sort of Ayn Rand novel adaptation, or perhaps the cityscape of a neo Roman military state. I'll take the American styles of Sullivan, Wright, ect.. over the post war European 'realists' any day.

 

[JVM]

I can't see this guy going into politics. He probably would've starved to death on the streets - he seems like kind of a pussy to me.

 

[Soup]

Aw man, not this old Stalinite propaganda. Listen, Tukhachevsky and Bukharin's palace coup was not a "fascist revolution" by any means. I'd say it saved socialism long-term in the USSR and the PRP (OOC: People's Republic of Prussia), in fact! I mean just look at how they're doing now, sure it's not like Nordic-levels of prosperity, but it's so, so much better than the messes in Iberia or the Germanies these days, without that "socialism with Arab characteristics" nonsense in the Middle East. Why doesn't that regime just get it over with and call themselves fascist again?

Agh, getting off topic though, I need to keep this stuff to PoliChat. I hadn't heard much of this guy, beyond the usual "German artist winds up being a raging anti-semite" a la Wagner, but it doesn't seem that interesting. Dude really loved painting buildings though. Maybe he could have immigrated to America and gotten fame among the German-American population for his art? Like that one Italian guy, I always forget his name.

 

[DTanza]

Ummm who the fuck cares? Seriously the Encyclopaedia Britannica Online thing has like three sentences about him. Why even bring this up?!

"WAAAAH! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT! STOP TALKING!"

Come on, some people in this forum have an appreciation for art history.

 

[Will Kürlich Kerl]

Jail perhaps, didn't he pain sexually provocative pictures of his children? I may be a prude, but I think it is wrong to exploit your young that way.

You have been reading too many urban myths. There is nothing that remotely suggests Hitler was painting anything sexually provocative.

 

[Will Kürlich Kerl]

We all remember Adolf Hitler as the artist who defended the classical Western tradition of painting in the face of the Socialist Realism preferred by Communist states such as the USSR and the Socialist Republic of Germany.

Adolf Hitler was instrumental in preventing Socialist Realism from reaching Austria itself and most of Eastern Europe. His pictures were frequently used in propaganda posters throughout Bavaria in order to convince it to secede from the Socialist Republic of Germany and join Austria. It succeeded. His work was also instrumental in the making of a Polish nation, because many of the Polish nationalists who successfully revolted were inspired by Adolf Hitler.

Even Japanese artists wanting to emulate Classical Western Art and merge it with traditional Japanese art were inspired by Adolf Hitler.

 

[Dr. Luny]

The only reason anyone is familiar with his mediocre work is because he was one of the few artist exiles from the SRG. His right-wing ravings made him the toast of London, but his art was really only fit for postcards and the walls of cheap hotel rooms. The work from his political period in New York looks like badly-drawn cartoons.

 

[Hominid]

Don't you think Hitler would have just gone on to be an artist if he was rejected from art school? I mean, you can still be a painter with or without art school.

As for his racist views, I think they were largely caused by the leaders of Socialist Germany, a few of whom were Jewish (which is ironic, because Germany became one of the most anti-Semitic countries in Europe later in the 20th century). I think he was more anti-socialist than anything else, but I could be wrong. Of course, it's wrong to hate Jews or any racial/ethnic group, so I'm not defending Hitler, but I think in Hitler's anti-Semitic views were caused by his political views.

If Hitler managed to get into politics somehow before the German takeover of Austria, he would probably create a right-wing Austria that would have easily been overrun by Germany later on. So Hitler is pretty useless in AH.

 

[jpj1421]

The only reason anyone is familiar with his mediocre work is because he was one of the few artist exiles from the SRG. His right-wing ravings made him the toast of London, but his art was really only fit for postcards and the walls of cheap hotel rooms. The work from his political period in New York looks like badly-drawn cartoons.

This. According to my girlfriend, she's really into art history, he's a really generic artist who happened to get big at the right time and place. She called him a little known, but influential artist who's responsible for much of the mediocrity in the last half century, especially in Europe. According to her, the best thing that could have happened to Europe is if Hitler were to not make the cut for art school.