DBWI: Hibernia had won the Islands War?

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Hibernia, despite its recent misfortunes, is now a respectable land under its powerless High King, its law codes reformed along the lines of Hispania, Neustria, Sudergothland, Italia, Allemanica and the Hunnic Lands and though its people do not accept Mithras, Isis or the Platonic Ideals, it conducts itself without war to the kingdoms it neighbors.

Many forget that in the last Universal War, the Hibernians allied themselves with the mad Emperor Zuan Xi who sought to avenge China's defeat by Cipan and Koguryo in the initial war and blamed China's problems upon Buddhists and killed them in great numbers. The High King allied himself, hoping to gain territories in the Eastern colonies and territorial holdings along the Mare Nostrum. The Hiberian warriors believed the High King to be the living embodiment of the Celtic god Lugh.

The Aegyptians initially sought to not involve themselves in the war, having economic problems caused by a drought that contracted the Nile called the Great Depression. Then Hibernian armored rocket gliders attacked the Aegyptian military base upon the Isle of Cyprus. The Pharaoh of the Turkic Dynasty proclaimed the infamy of the Hibernian attack and then began to battle against them, joining the war with Cipan and the remnants of Koguryo's fleet and army that did not obey the puppet government in Kwangju. While Cipan was blockaded by subsurface warships, it was not invaded, though it feared it, but research has shown, like the Mongols before him, an invasion of Cipan by Zuan Xi would have not passed the storms or the Cipanese war fleets.

Aegyptian armies aided Cipan in invading Koguryo and ultimately, Zuan Xi killed himself within a tunnel in Nanjing and his eunuchs were put on trial and the most murderous of them executed.

Aegypt dropped two large bombs of naptha upon Donegal and Cork by armored glider several months later after bloody fighting on the Isles of Wight and Jersey. This confirmed Aegypt as the main power after the war's end and rival of the Khan of the Hunnic Lands.

But what if Hibernia had, for example, sent more waves of armored gliders against Cyprus, destroying more of the Aegyptian war fleet and its kerosene tanks? Or if Hibernia had won at the Battle of the Dog Islands off the coast of Hispania or Magna Graecia? Would they found their purported Greater Mare Nostrum Commonwealth?
 
I think that it would have only meant a slightly longer war.

If the Hibernians were able to keep the war going on a little longer, the Haudenosaunee would have been done with their war against the Mvskoke-Mexica Alliance, and been free to support Aegypt and Cipan. Really, in addition to personnel, giving Aegypt a few Haudenosaunee armored underships and infralight-guided thunderbirds would have led to a decisive victory in my opinion.
 

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The Haudenosaunee were, at the time, largely neutral towards the Hibernians. Their usual concerns are wars against their neighbors or the Mexica, whom they regard as bloodthirsty rivals for control of the chiefdoms to their south.

I imagine if the Pharaoh Apophis Oguz II had offered them incentives, then yes, the could come in on their side.

However, by the standards of the Eastern Empires, the Barbarian Successor Kingdoms and the Persian satrapies and Indian rajs, the chiefdoms of the New World are regional powers with relatively small militaries. Aegypt has a military two times the size of the Chimu, Mexica or Apalachee and ten times the size of the Caddo, Ho-Chunk or Tlingit rulers.

Some war material and extra troops, yes, but not an overwhelming advantage.

Hibernia may have best won by not attacking Aegypt at all and concentrating itself on seizing the Cipanese and Koguryo concessions at Tartessos, Malta, the Balearics and Magna Graecia.

Alot of the Chinese eunuchs and Imperial Guard who escaped incidentally fled to the Mexica empire. The raj of Java had a team of operatives kidnap Yun Tsho and bring him to Java to stand trial several decades later for his role in the slaughter of Buddhist monks.
 
The Haudenosaunee were, at the time, largely neutral towards the Hibernians. Their usual concerns are wars against their neighbors or the Mexica, whom they regard as bloodthirsty rivals for control of the chiefdoms to their south.

I wouldn't say they were largely neutral, there was a large majority moral support among the subchiefs against the atrocities in China, and by extension to Hibernia. Even if diplomatically they tended to stay out of the politics of the Asia-Side previous to the Chimu-Cipan conflict.

I imagine if the Pharaoh Apophis Oguz II had offered them incentives, then yes, the could come in on their side.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.

However, by the standards of the Eastern Empires, the Barbarian Successor Kingdoms and the Persian satrapies and Indian rajs, the chiefdoms of the New World are regional powers with relatively small militaries. Aegypt has a military two times the size of the Chimu, Mexica or Apalachee and ten times the size of the Caddo, Ho-Chunk or Tlingit rulers.

Yes, true, leaving only the Haudenosaunee Confederacy (not a chiefdom) as potential equal to the Asia-Side powers. Especially considering they'd just defeated three of the nations above (Mexica, Apalachee and Caddo, all part of the Mexica-Mvskoke alliance), and were allied with the Ho-Chunk forces, as well as the Anishinaabe.

Some war material and extra troops, yes, but not an overwhelming advantage.

Personally, I would call guided thunderbirds a rather overwhelming advantage, considering the Aegyptian attempts at that sort of thing hadn't gotten off the ground yet.

Hibernia may have best won by not attacking Aegypt at all and concentrating itself on seizing the Cipanese and Koguryo concessions at Tartessos, Malta, the Balearics and Magna Graecia.

I definitely have to agree with that. Although, I think eventually they would have come against each other somewhere along the line, but maybe later after Hibernia's already a world power.
 
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