DBWI: Hawaii Statehood Referendum

There was no thread for it, and people are starting to talk about how the media isn't covering it. So here we go.

My question is, how do you all think this will affect the balance of power in the House and Senate? Hawaii's domestic parties don't square up neatly with the GOP/Dems.

And now we'll have fifty stars on Old Glory! I wonder what it'll look like...
 
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Well, way back in '59 when they were talking about it, it was thought Hawaii would be republican leaning and the island does seem to be a bit more to the right than the average state. So it may end up a could counter weight to Alaska.
 
It's not surprising that Hawaiian politics doesn't align with the mainland, as it will be the most distant state and the only one which doesn't border another US state when it will/might be admitted.

I guess one has to look at the last state admitted to the Union: Sequoyah in 1946. At first, the political parties there were just for the interest of the 5 tribes living there. But eventually, all those parties amalgamated with the Republicans or the Democrats. I guess the same thing may happen in Hawaii in 20 years.

For now, we may see Hawaii send Independents to Congress. But if they want to be relevant to the rest of the country in the Mainland, these parties should eventually align themselves with the Republicans or Democrats.

As for foreign implications, now that Hawaii joining the Union as a state, that may open up the campaign on the other side of the ocean with Taiwan being incorporated as 6 new prefectures of Japan. I guess these territories are finally getting the their rights to self-determination promised to them since after the Great War.

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EDIT: Damn, ninja'd. Ignore.
 

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Hurrah imperialism! :rolleyes:

Hears to hoping that Congress just ignores the vote, as it was a complete undemocratic sham.
 
There was no thread for it, and people are starting talk about how the media isn't covering it.

OOC: Bravo. :cool: Bra. Vo.

I dunno. The parties basically fall into one of two camps, so I figure they'll step in and point the islands in one direction or another.

My other question is whether Guam would join up with Hawaii and be part of the state.
 
There was no thread for it, and people are starting talk about how the media isn't covering it. So here we go.

My question is, how do you all think this will affect the balance of power in the House and Senate? Hawaii's domestic parties don't square up neatly with the GOP/Dems.

And now we'll have fifty stars on Old Glory! I wonder what it'll look like...

Actually, don't you mean fifty-one? Puerto Rico was admitted in 1963, remember.

OOC: Sorry, but I couldn't resist.
 
Actually, don't you mean fifty-one? Puerto Rico was admitted in 1963, remember.

OOC: Sorry, but I couldn't resist.

Puerto Rico (1963) only took it to 49.;) Alaska (1959) made it 48 and before that, New Mexico (1912) brought the count to 47... There was talk of splitting New Mexico in half, but it was just that: Talk.;)

And here is the proposed 50-star US flag:

800px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png


Now, can you name all 49 state capitals? (I have trouble with that, but then I'm not an American.) I'll spot you the first two...

Alabama: Montgomery.
Alaska: Valdez.*

OOC: Couldn't resist...

*And the POD is still post-1900, though barely. The reason that Juneau isn't the capital of Alaska ITTL is that Juneau isn't located in Alaska. Juneau is the largest city the province of Yukon (Capital: Whitehorse, entered Confederation in 1911), and this is because border between Canada and the US was settled in Canada's favour in 1903.
 
There was no thread for it, and people are starting to talk about how the media isn't covering it. So here we go.

My question is, how do you all think this will affect the balance of power in the House and Senate? Hawaii's domestic parties don't square up neatly with the GOP/Dems.

And now we'll have fifty stars on Old Glory! I wonder what it'll look like...

The Home Rule Party still maintains a sizeable portion of the Territorial legislature and retains a good majority in the cities of Honolulu and Hilo. The last two mayors of Honolulu have been Home Rule. The Party has played an important part in Territorial affairs since its founding in 1900 under Robert Wilcox. The only real coalition governments in the US have been in Hawaii as both the Republican and Democrat parties have courted Home Rule backing in order to win elections.

Without a doubt the greatest pain to the US is the Home Rule Party, which plans to upset any statehood referendum by pointing out that in direct violation of UN declarations about decolonization, the option of independence does not appear on the ballot.
 
The Home Rule Party still maintains a sizeable portion of the Territorial legislature and retains a good majority in the cities of Honolulu and Hilo. The last two mayors of Honolulu have been Home Rule. The Party has played an important part in Territorial affairs since its founding in 1900 under Robert Wilcox. The only real coalition governments in the US have been in Hawaii as both the Republican and Democrat parties have courted Home Rule backing in order to win elections.

Without a doubt the greatest pain to the US is the Home Rule Party, which plans to upset any statehood referendum by pointing out that in direct violation of UN declarations about decolonization, the option of independence does not appear on the ballot.

It wasn't on the ballot because it's impossible to get a majority either way with it on the ballot. They haven't broken 15% in any referendum since WWII, but they're always large enough to deny a majority to anyone. And so we're stuck in the same circle we've been in for the last 50 years. The Home Rule Party isn't even united on the subject of independence. IIRC, at least half of their legislators don't even support independence, but want the same deal Eire got. For non-Americans, the thing to remember is that the Hawaiian Home Rule Party is nowhere comparable in strength to the Irish one.
 
It wasn't on the ballot because it's impossible to get a majority either way with it on the ballot. They haven't broken 15% in any referendum since WWII, but they're always large enough to deny a majority to anyone. And so we're stuck in the same circle we've been in for the last 50 years. The Home Rule Party isn't even united on the subject of independence. IIRC, at least half of their legislators don't even support independence, but want the same deal Eire got. For non-Americans, the thing to remember is that the Hawaiian Home Rule Party is nowhere comparable in strength to the Irish one.

I had always been against the annexation of Ireland by the United States, but I guess it was to be expected under Kennedy.
 
Puerto Rico (1963) only took it to 49.;) Alaska (1959) made it 48 and before that, New Mexico (1912) brought the count to 47... There was talk of splitting New Mexico in half, but it was just that: Talk.;)

And here is the proposed 50-star US flag:

800px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png


Now, can you name all 49 state capitals? (I have trouble with that, but then I'm not an American.) I'll spot you the first two...

Alabama: Montgomery.
Alaska: Valdez.*

OOC: Couldn't resist...

*And the POD is still post-1900, though barely. The reason that Juneau isn't the capital of Alaska ITTL is that Juneau isn't located in Alaska. Juneau is the largest city the province of Yukon (Capital: Whitehorse, entered Confederation in 1911), and this is because border between Canada and the US was settled in Canada's favour in 1903.

OOC: Okay, the only problem is, though, is that Arizona was broken off New Mexico before 1900, and I'm not sure how you could get the two territories to merge at any time after 1900 without some sort of issue. Care to elaborate? :)
 
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