DBWI: have you ever visited Germania or Tokyo?

None of you mention Lisbon? A beautiful city, capital of the Portugese Empire, although a lot of the heavy architecture was designed by Albert Speer to commemorate them officially joining the Axis.
 
As for Japan, what the tour guides will not tell people is that ever since 1991, after the collapse of the militarist government, is that the country has a large "kidnap and ransom" (K&R) which has been a running rivalry between the Yakuza and local bosozoku biker gangs. The scary thing is that if you are seen as being an American, Filipino, or Chinese, the local Yakuza or bosozoku clan leader will try to extort money from tourists and even visiting CEOs and political dignataries. As such, make sure to have at least $100,000 hidden somewhere if you are traveling outside the "Tourist Zone"....

I've been living here in Osaka since shortly after the '91 collapse, and I've never had a problem. The Yak's really only do that in the Kanto.

Remember that Osaka and Kobe were cosmopolitan centers going way back...[1]

And trust me, the bozos are a faded joke.[2]

On the other hand, I do carry my .45 everywhere.

Personaly i don't like either.....

I did go to Kyoto on a Cultural exchange, and was treated rather well...then again I look Japanese so i guess it depends abit on how you look.

I liked Kyoto better than either Germania (trys too hard to be a marvel), and tokyo (too damn crowded.)

Kyoto's sure a damned sight prettier. But if anyone thinks Tokyo's a cultural hub, you haven't been to Osaka. Tokyo's always been a bit of a stick in the mud culturally. I actually know white guys who've married Osaka girls with the family's OK! You won't hardly find that in Tokyo or Kyoto.

Hell, Osaka's got the balls to have "Little America" smack dab in the middle of town.[3]

Of course, the free port/trade zone status helps a lot. :)

I'd love to show ya'll around the Ikuno market - Korean, Vietnamese, India, Thai, Indonesian, all sorts of Chinese - the list goes on nearly forever.[4]

And don't forget the international Buddhists conections - just last week I ran into a religious delegation from the Kingdom of Tibet. HH the Dali Lama is making plans to visit Koya San.[5]

OOC: Just some foot note that folks might otherwise miss:

[1] Osaka's been an important international contact point for more than 1500 years. It really does have a deeper cosmopolitan sense than Tokyo or Kyoto.

[2] I full on expect the Bosozoku to fade much as they have OTL.

[3] Reference to TTL's version of OTL's AmeMura, in downtown Osaka.

[4] Ikuno Ward is the largest Korea Town in Japan. This extrapolates on the OP's idea and what Osaka would have in comparisson. :D

[5] Obviously suggesting an independent Tibet. Also of note is that Mount Koya is the home to the Shingon school of Buddhism, the primary non-Tibetan Vajrayana school...
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "undermining" them - sure, we sell them a lot of stuff, but we also buy a lot.

Well thats my point. Despite what Japanese propaganda claims, the Co-Prosperity sphere was meant to give them a colonial empire capable of competing with the United States and Europe. Its members were supposed to be captive markets, exporting raw materials to Japan and buying Japanese manufactures in turn. It never quite worked out that way due to the demands of the Chinese War and Japan lost alot of its market share within the region after the fall of their military government. The presense of American firms and capital in the Phillipeanes, was just one chink in the armor but even during the highwater years of 50's Japan was forced to important large amounts American and German machine tools.
 
Hell, I wonder what they made of the town my parents are from.... Used to be pretty tough in Machine tools, otherwise unremarkable. I've heard that they have been building an SS Academy near there. But I agree with RCAFbrat, I won't go there until these bastards are gone.
 
I have not, and will not ever visit Germania, or any other part of the Greater German Reich for the same reasons as David bar Elias. Which is a shame because there is a great deal of pre-1933 Germany that the Nazis have not erased or destroyed, such as beautiful Dresden, lovely Vienna or even baroque Prague. All of my relatives spoke German, believed they were German and some even fought and bled for the Kaiser. Lucky for me at least some of them got out before the madness descended upon Germany.
I have nothing against the Japanese and I even like sushi, but the descriptions of Tokyo in the tread above don't make it sound very attractive. I have changed planes in Tokyo while on business trips to the Co-Prosperity Sphere but I have never made it into Tokyo. Sounds like no big loss.
 
One of the problems regarding travel to the Greater German Reich, especially in Berlin, is the constant and hovering presence of "state officers". Ever since the 1983 Potsdam Square Massacre of student protesters, the Germans have been terribly suspicious of foreign business people, especially journalists. What the tour guides never tell you about is the painfully uncomfortable "cavity search" non-Aryan travelers face at the airport or along the railroads. I am still surprised that they were awarded the 2004 Summer Olympics.
 
I am still surprised that they were awarded the 2004 Summer Olympics

I remember they went through a lot of trouble for that. They built that enormous stadion which can fit like 400.000 people, the largest stadium by capacity. I remebmber going there after Germany opened up after that Potsdam Square massacre. I saw a visited a Queen concert there as part of the '86 Magic Tour and another as part of the '89 Miracle tour. I believe they call it the Volkstadium which is part of the huge Adolf Hitler sport palast (another fine piece of engineering).
 
IMO both cities are dens of absolute evil that were built on the bones of slaves. I heard that after construction, the slaves would be murdered for their skills.

I am currently living in the United States of America which, unlike the Nazis or the Japanese, actually encompasses two entire continents. Thank goodness for Robert Taft's military buildups and the Union of the Americas act. Contrary to Gobbels and the Ministry for Public enlightenment and propaganda, the United states is one of the msot technologically advanced and stable nations in the world.

Last i checked, President Kucinich accurately described both nations as "cesspools of evil"
 
IMO both cities are dens of absolute evil that were built on the bones of slaves. I heard that after construction, the slaves would be murdered for their skills.

I am currently living in the United States of America which, unlike the Nazis or the Japanese, actually encompasses two entire continents. Thank goodness for Robert Taft's military buildups and the Union of the Americas act. Contrary to Gobbels and the Ministry for Public enlightenment and propaganda, the United states is one of the msot technologically advanced and stable nations in the world.

Last i checked, President Kucinich accurately described both nations as "cesspools of evil"

Uhm. Germany does span two continents the last time I checked. Ever heard of a little place called Mittelafrika. Goering lobbyd A LOT to get that done by Hitler who didn't care much for it. BTW both Japan and Nazi-Germany have become better since the 80s although there still authoritarian and you of all people shouldn't be talking. Look at all the crazy-ass socialist/communist regimes you supported to keep us out of South America. Remember '85 in Brazil or all the wars that wracked the continent?

EDIT: I'm not so much a Nazi as I am Dutch but you Americans can't wash your hands in innocence either.
 
Read something called the Monroe doctrine and you understand why.

There are still nations in Scandanavia and Transylvania and Hibernia etc, so you cannot truly claim to span 2 continents

The USA annexed the Americas to say "this is my turf! stay the hell away from it!"
 
Have you seen the Museum Of Race Science in Berlin? If not, I'd recommend going while it's still there: there has been talk of closing it now that the government is coming to find a lot of old Nazi pseudo-science an embarassment. If you can keep yourself from dwelling too much on the horrors that sort of thinking led to, it's full of unintentionally hilarious stuff: some of the historical panoramas (such as the one showing the Aryan invasion of India, which was apparently inhabited by black cannibal midgets at the time :rolleyes: ) have to be seen to be believed.

Sure, I saw that venerable institution, what, more than a decade ago. When I was a student at Helsinki University we had still our "State Historian"[1] as the Professor of History, and the Department used to sponsor annual trips to Germania for the students. It had been the tradition since the 50s. It died out quite abruptly around '03, no doubt due to the old guard of historians retiring and, really, dying out.

The Ahnenerbe and our faculty went way back, so there was something spookily "official" about the visit even at that late point, and even our young prof was quite nervous about the itinerary and tried hard to make us behave correctly. Imagine, we were actually welcomed by an old Rassenkunde researcher and given a tour of the facility, including some places "ordinary" tourists never see. It was pretty decrepid already then, but you could still see how it had been when that was still the state religion over there. Quite memorable, all in all.

Anyway, like someone pointed out above, use the U-Bahn when in Germania. It is something out of a mechano-punk movie: huge tunnels, the old juggernautish subway trains, the amazing National Realist murals at the stations. Especially, look out for the art at the Mitte and the Reinhard-Heydrich-Strasse stations.:eek:



[1] Eino Jutikkala, the grand old man of Finnish history. Would have no doubt been been even grander in a Axis victory TL.
 
I am currently living in the United States of America which, unlike the Nazis or the Japanese, actually encompasses two entire continents.

That's the 'Organization of American States', not the United States of America. It is a military and economic alliance, not a political union. And even then your claim is BS. The Dominion of Canada is not a member, nor is Jamaica or Belize, neither are the British held islands in the Caribbean, and especially not the five nations (Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay and Argentina) that make up the Nazi-allied Americosur Alliance. (Someone must have been asleep at the switch for that to happen, otherwise the US marines would have gone in and butchered all of the local fascists about as effectively as the fascists got rid of the communists. Oh, wait, that is why Jim Carter got thrown out on his ass in 1982... Which let that psycotic nut Manson* into the White House, but ah, never mind.) Most of the rest would rather see the US kicked out of the OAS, but can't do it because the Yankees would just send in their marines if they try it.

Yankee allies in the Caribbean and South America include that bombastic twit Chavez, who goes around comparing the Yankee president to Satan, the dictator of the week in Haiti, and that wannabe italo-fascist Castro in Cuba.

OOC: *As in Charles Manson of the OTL Manson Family cult. Yes, that Charles Manson. I was going to sat Jim Jones originally, but that would be to much like FAT.
 
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I've been to Berlin once, on a business trip (my bosses do a lot of business with Siemens). "Germania" is just the name some overenthusiastic Reichspropaganda idiots like to call it. When my friend got permission to live there as a journalist, the documents were letterheaded "Hauptstadt Berlin". It's really nice, though - the Kaiser-Willhelm Race Science Museum is a wonder of modern architecture, its devious purposes notwithstanding. Also got to see the Reichstag, too, just after they finished the final restoration - you get the feeling that it really did used to be the center of German democracy, instead of those scripted twice-yearly pro-forma sessions they hold there these days.

For good measure, you should see the Alexanderplatz, if only to remind you that the Nazis, accomplishments aside, are the worst bunch of totalitarian dictators the world has seen since Genghis Khan - anyone remember the woman standing up to those Panzers? Of course, don't put in any memorials there - the cops can and will arrest you and put you in Spandau.

Oh, BTW - if you find yourself in the GG, remember to stay in the "nur fuer Deutsche u. Touristen" carriage - the local government is anal about "racial separation".
 
Come to think of it, we should have nuked the bastards as soon as we got the bomb... Some would say the same for the Nips, but they beat us fair and square,

(CUT)
To the unending annoyance of both the Americans, (who resent that they were worn down by the Japanese, in spite of their overwhelming economic, industrial, and supposedly military superiority over Japan),

OOC: Ok, this DBWI just jumped the shark. :)

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Bruce
 
OOC: Ok, this DBWI just jumped the shark. :)

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Bruce

OOC: The Pacific war in this world would have been caused by the Japanese attack on the seriously weakened British Empire, without a simultaneous surprise attack on the US. The US would have intervened in the war to keep Japan from becoming too powerful. The end result would have been Vietnam 20 years early, with the US public losing the will to fight even as the US military is kicking Japan's ass in nearly every single engagement. The British would have been broke and still licking the wounds from the war in Europe, and thus unable to put up much of a real fight against Japan, especially given that they'd have to keep tens of thousands of soldiers, along with the bulk of the Royal Navy and the RAF in Britain, Egypt and North Africa to guard against renewed war with either Germany, Italy, or both.
 
OOC: The Pacific war in this world would have been caused by the Japanese attack on the seriously weakened British Empire, without a simultaneous surprise attack on the US. The US would have intervened in the war to keep Japan from becoming too powerful. The end result would have been Vietnam 20 years early, with the US public losing the will to fight even as the US military is kicking Japan's ass in nearly every single engagement. The British would have been broke and still licking the wounds from the war in Europe, and thus unable to put up much of a real fight against Japan, especially given that they'd have to keep tens of thousands of soldiers, along with the bulk of the Royal Navy and the RAF in Britain, Egypt and North Africa to guard against renewed war with either Germany, Italy, or both.

OOC: We were fighting the Vietnamese on their own soil - the Japanese were running an empire of occupation whose inhabitants were all happy to see the back of them. In a no-nukes TL where we didn't have to worry about the Japanese trying for round two AS ALLIES OF THE THIRD REICH, US public opinion might have gone sour on the notion of a bloody invasion of Japan proper, but the best deal possible would have been a return to their pre-1931 borders, probably less Taiwan. The only way they would have been able to hold onto the territories in SE Asia and China would have been if they had this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Admiral_Thrawn running their military, this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrooge_McDuck handling the economy, and this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Brown heading up new weapons development.

Bruce
 
Has anyone here visited the Soviet Union? I here it is almost impossible to get a visa there. Certainly much harder than getting into the Reich or Japan. Although I did hear something about a loosening of restrictions...

OOC: I don't know where the capital of USSR is in this timeline. Perhaps a map is in order?
 

wormyguy

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OOC: I don't know where the capital of USSR is in this timeline. Perhaps a map is in order?

OOC: Probably Gorky or Vladivostok (if Japan hasn't snapped up the Russian Pacific coast).

EDIT: Given that Russia just lost most of its population - and political power - which would now be concentrated in Central Asia, to keep the Union together it might be necessary to move the capital south. Tashkent? Frunze?
 
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