DBWI: Harold had lost to William 1066

Additional vocabulary for certain, especially where Norman would dominate. Perhaps grammar changes, e.g. the s plural might be more common.
True.

Unrelatedly, it would be interesting to see if a Norman conquest would result in Franco-British unification, as it is unlikely the French kings would have allowed William to have that much power.
 
True.

Unrelatedly, it would be interesting to see if a Norman conquest would result in Franco-British unification, as it is unlikely the French kings would have allowed William to have that much power.
I'm not sure a Norman England would be that focused on expanding to all Britain what with the southern distraction. In any case I suspect it would need a French succession war to put a Norman dynast on the throne.
 
I'm not sure a Norman England would be that focused on expanding to all Britain what with the southern distraction. In any case I suspect it would need a French succession war to put a Norman dynast on the throne.

Okay, fair enough. One other question I have is how would this conquest impact the development of the embett (OOC: TTL’s Parliament, if anyone has a better word post it)
 
Okay, fair enough. One other question I have is how would this conquest impact the development of the embett (OOC: TTL’s Parliament, if anyone has a better word post it)
Your guess is as good as mine.

(OOC embett/ambitt is more likely to mean department or ministry rather than parliament. Wittenmoot or just witten or moot would fit better. Thing is also possible with more Scandinavian influence)
 
OOC: I do wonder how Wales fares in the two centuries following our, specifically if England still aggressively expands westward as they did under the Normans.
 
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Your guess is as good as mine.

(OOC embett/ambitt is more likely to mean department or ministry rather than parliament. Wittenmoot or just witten or moot would fit better. Thing is also possible with more Scandinavian influence)

OOC: Okay thanks that’s what it will be then. “Witten”
 
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I have thought a bit more though on possible impact on the Welsh. It depends how William sets up the borders. OTL Harold II's greatnephews became Greves of Wrekin and of Mainset [1] which were formative in the creation of the kingdoms of Norwall and Sowall. Would William's heirs do the same?

[1] Greve = OTL Norman Earl/Count since AS Earls remain more akin to Dukes.
 
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I have thought a bit more though on possible impact on the Welsh. It depends how William sets up the borders. OTL Harold II's greatnephews became Greves of Wrekin and of Mainset [1] which were formative in the creation of the kingdoms of Norwall and Sowall. Would William's heirs do the same?

[1] Greve = OTL Norman Earl/Count since AS Earls remain more akin to Dukes.

Ah, thank you. How long after is it not supposed to be done?

I would doubt that a Williamite dynasty would allow that much power devolved, as it might risk the nobility becoming too powerful
 
In this world, would there still be an English tongue? Bearing in mind how heavily Norman kings and Norman law shaped the tongues of Sicily, Dutchland (OOC: Netherlands), and Rumland, then if the bulk of the Normans settled in England, London may well be speaking a Romish tongue.

Eh, although the Norman dialect of French certainly had a major impact upon Sicily and Dutchland (as well as Rumland/Outremer), its easy to overstate its influence. As should would be expected over an over-class, most of the words that meandered down into the common language were those relating to government and high culture. I can't imagine that the influence on England, which already had a very sophisticated government tradition as well as high culture, would be too heavily influenced. I suspect you might see some Romance words being adopted, but these would probably be terms related to government, church and administration. Maybe in this ATL the Wittanmoot is known by some French word for gathering?
 
Eh, although the Norman dialect of French certainly had a major impact upon Sicily and Dutchland (as well as Rumland/Outremer), its easy to overstate its influence. As should would be expected over an over-class, most of the words that meandered down into the common language were those relating to government and high culture. I can't imagine that the influence on England, which already had a very sophisticated government tradition as well as high culture, would be too heavily influenced. I suspect you might see some Romance words being adopted, but these would probably be terms related to government, church and administration. Maybe in this ATL the Wittanmoot is known by some French word for gathering?

Perhaps rassemblement? IOTL, King John of France created a body of nobility and wealthy merchants with this name to consolidate his power before dissolving it, which led to the famed 80 years War between the king, his nobles, and the peasants.
 
OOC: That was the name of Pre-Norman invasions version of the Parliament, but it was a much more informal body. But give it a few centuries of development and evolution...

OOC: ITTL, a Germanic-Danish-British unification occurs in the late 13th century, so it’s unlikely the Witenagemot would have developed that much.
 
Well, this is an interesting question, I must say!

As has already been pointed out earlier, this involves many centuries of divergence-nearly a millenium in this day and age-from our own world so there are many possibilities.

That said, though, there are a few things I'd like to explore briefly.

Firstly, indeed, what of an English language significantly-but not dominantly-influenced by Norman French? As I recall, just under a century and a half ago, such an idea was actually postulated by the celebrated French scholar Jean-Pierre de Hautemont; his speculative work, I may add, was inspired in no small manned by the unique dialect mainly spoken by residents over here in the eastern central areas of North Veridia-namely what's now the modern nation of the Veridian Commonwealth(yours truly is a proud native of New Perth), and some of the small nation-states adjacent to it, such as Pouhatan, Cushata, and Mescoka.....though it really only formally emerged after the fusion of many of the former English and French colonies here during the early 18th century, and Norman French wasn't the only French dialect that had significant representation here, so 11th century England, needless to say, would see something slightly different.

Secondly, a Norman victory, I believe, would likely prevent both the creation of Norwall and Sowall (that truly was, as I've discovered, one of the major reasons why the Welsh had such poor relations with England for the next 250 years after they regained their independence in the mid 13th Century, and even then, some significant cultural distrust and prejudice lingered for another 4 whole centuries afterwards), as well as the 167 year long Great Unification between England, Denmark, and certain of the German states, especially as none of the major French kingdoms had particularly good relations with even Denmark, let alone England or most of the German states-save for Aquitaine & Bavaria for a time-and wouldn't until near the end of the 15th Century in our world. If anything, I'd suspect that this alternate England would be more likely to cultivate better relations with some of the French nations, simply because the Normans-although their ruling class was largely of Scandinavian extraction-were still a decent bit closer to their fellow Frenchmen than any of their neighbors even in 1066, at least as far as I'm aware.
 
Well, this is an interesting question, I must say!

As has already been pointed out earlier, this involves many centuries of divergence-nearly a millenium in this day and age-from our own world so there are many possibilities.

That said, though, there are a few things I'd like to explore briefly.

Firstly, indeed, what of an English language significantly-but not dominantly-influenced by Norman French? As I recall, just under a century and a half ago, such an idea was actually postulated by the celebrated French scholar Jean-Pierre de Hautemont; his speculative work, I may add, was inspired in no small manned by the unique dialect mainly spoken by residents over here in the eastern central areas of North Veridia-namely what's now the modern nation of the Veridian Commonwealth(yours truly is a proud native of New Perth), and some of the small nation-states adjacent to it, such as Pouhatan, Cushata, and Mescoka.....though it really only formally emerged after the fusion of many of the former English and French colonies here during the early 18th century, and Norman French wasn't the only French dialect that had significant representation here, so 11th century England, needless to say, would see something slightly different.

Secondly, a Norman victory, I believe, would likely prevent both the creation of Norwall and Sowall (that truly was, as I've discovered, one of the major reasons why the Welsh had such poor relations with England for the next 250 years after they regained their independence in the mid 13th Century, and even then, some significant cultural distrust and prejudice lingered for another 4 whole centuries afterwards), as well as the 167 year long Great Unification between England, Denmark, and certain of the German states, especially as none of the major French kingdoms had particularly good relations with even Denmark, let alone England or most of the German states-save for Aquitaine & Bavaria for a time-and wouldn't until near the end of the 15th Century in our world. If anything, I'd suspect that this alternate England would be more likely to cultivate better relations with some of the French nations, simply because the Normans-although their ruling class was largely of Scandinavian extraction-were still a decent bit closer to their fellow Frenchmen than any of their neighbors even in 1066, at least as far as I'm aware.

Would you think that a Norman rule would be more or less absolute than IOTL? Also, what are some of the interesting words Hautemont came up with?
 
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