DBWI Germany never went Communist

Britain may not have had to bankrupt itself or sacrifice the flower of three generations holding the line against the Reds. Somehow the US always gets the credit when the fact is that until the German Socialist Union was caught supplying arms to the Mississippi Workers Brotherhood they sat nice and safe behind thousands of mile of ocean and did nothing but shake their heads and get rich on British Armament orders.

God save the King and long live the Commonwealth.


Say, are there any Nepalese left? How many Gurkhas (along with Sikhs, Zulus, Bengals, Fuzzy-Wuzzies, Wakambas, Boers and other martial caste-rs) have been plucked out of the Himalayas to help keep those poppies fertilized?
 

Wolfpaw

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Say, are there any Nepalese left? How many Gurkhas (along with Sikhs, Zulus, Bengals, Fuzzy-Wuzzies, Boers and other martial caste-rs) have been plucked out of the Himalayas to help keep those poppies fertilized?
Clears room for veterans' tracts in Kenya and South Africa and Rhodesia.
 
OOC: I wish I could find a more Russian word for fascism, but all of the obvi--I mean, good ones, have been taken; narodnism, nashism, etc.

OOC: Zach had zavtraism ("tomorrowism") in his Pax Napoleonica timeline. My own timeline has "lysenkoism", since the founder - a certain Andrei Lysenko - is an Ukrainian expat noble and officer who becomes a naturalized Muscovite* and builds a secondary regime behind the scenes of the politically troubled Principality of Muscovy. Because Russia has not united in the early modern era in my TL, Lysenko wants to form a latter-day tsardom - hence why the foreign detractors of the regime also refer to it as "tsarism", with "tsarist" becoming analogous to "fascist" in common parlance. I love using false friends terminology in my TLs. ;)


* Yeah, similar to a certain guy from Austria who struck it big in OTL Germany. Except Lysenko is more like Mussolini crossed with Ungern von Sternberg, though notably more intelligent and cunning than both of them.
 
Say, are there any Nepalese left? How many Gurkhas (along with Sikhs, Zulus, Bengals, Fuzzy-Wuzzies, Wakambas, Boers and other martial caste-rs) have been plucked out of the Himalayas to help keep those poppies fertilized?

Far Far too many. Even the walls of St Pauls couldn't have held all the names, if like the rest of Old London it wasn't radio active silt at the bottom of Churchill Lake.
 
Only in Canada would 3 dozen guys issuing a manifesto about the glory of republicanism, and firebombing some Tim Hortons when no one pays attention, be called a civil war.

And only in the USA would a bunch of jailed terrorists demanding annexation in order to be liberated from their "political oppression" be considered a pledge by the provinces they are jailed in to join the USA as states.

Uh... I remember the war had to involve the US, when artillery shells landed in Buffalo. This was in 1953. You are crazy, man.

Ooc I am making a realistic TL on this.
 
Britain may not have had to bankrupt itself or sacrifice the flower of three generations holding the line against the Reds. Somehow the US always gets the credit when the fact is that until the German Socialist Union was caught supplying arms to the Mississippi Workers Brotherhood they sat nice and safe behind thousands of mile of ocean and did nothing but shake their heads and get rich on British Armament orders.

God save the King and long live the Commonwealth.


Hey man it's your guys hemisphere most of this stuff isn't any of our business. That's the thing I never got about you Europeans you're always pushing you way into other people's countries. Its not even you Brits but Germans the Russians, the Spanish. Why can't you people stay on your continent? It seems like it would solve a lot of your problems.
 
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Hey man it's your guys hemisphere most of this stuff isn't any of our business. That's the thing I never got about you Europeans you're always pushing you way into other people's countries. Its not even you Brits but Germans the Russians, the Spanish. Why can't you people stay on your continent? It seems like it would solve a lot of your problems.

Uhm ,if it wasn't for the Europeans sticking their noses everywhere there wouldn't be a USA. If only they had listened and embraced Communism like Germany, The Netherlands and finally France did as well.
 

Kosta

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As we all know the Cold War was one of the tensest periods of the world and still is. The collapse of W. France in 1964, has left the US with her group of nations fighting against the Workers' German Republics. So, what would have happened if Bismarck had done the original social reforms in the 1870s, instead of oppressing them, and not lead to a revolution in 1913?

I think for Greece, at least, it'd be a mixed-bag. On the one hand, pre-Communist Germany was Greece's biggest trading-partner. When suddenly each state can't have relations, well...

But on the other hand, Germany not-so-discreetly funding the Turkish Army and lauding the praises of Greek communist terrorist group operating in the north of Greece after the Third Balkan War might not have pushed Greece into frantically building up the non-communist left, centrist, and even rightist parties. I personally believe it was the upswell of anti-communism in Greece that made the support for the monarchy go up, too. Of course, when Greece broke relations with Germany, the United States and United Kingdom tried to move in, and after they pushed too far with the Cyprus issue, what else would have pushed Greece so far into the non-aligned camp and even founding the movement along with its northern ally Yugoslavia? I doubt Papandreou could've done it alone, then. Funny how these things work out, isn't it? An American-educated economics professor who even served in the United States Navy and had connections within the United States Government actually defying such a monolith with only a rogue communist Marshal and aged Archbishop?
 
Even if the Germans didn't go Communist the Soviets still would. I can't see Germany holding off the inevitable military invasion by the Russians for very long so things would look very similar to today.
 
I don't know how much the rest of you follow American politics these days, but the US Congress passed a bill two days ago regulating so-called "sedition and slander" on the internet. As such, I've toned down my commentary regarding HUAC lately. Still, as a matter of courtesy, I'd ask this board's European members to tone down any anti-American sentiment in their comments here. I'm not offended by any of it personally, but in the current political climate such remarks can easily be misinterpreted, and that would be unfortunate for all of us.

Are we looking at a second Red Scare here? Probably not, but ever since that Czech terrorist group with the really long name started assassinating American businessmen, US-Central European relations have been circling the drain. And domestic security forces have been on edge too; I remember when state troopers caught up with three of those Czech guys outside Omaha last year, and they emptied their rifle magazines and all the bullets from their handguns before even trying to approach the car. Guess ammunition's the only thing cheaper than human lives in this day and age.
 
Even if the Germans didn't go Communist the Soviets still would. I can't see Germany holding off the inevitable military invasion by the Russians for very long so things would look very similar to today.

Who are the soviets? I never heard of the soviets. Unless you mean: the Russians? :confused:
 
Who are the soviets? I never heard of the soviets. Unless you mean: the Russians? :confused:

He's trying to bag some historical hipster points by referencing these traditional Russian communal...things that existing during the Tsarist era. Okay, I don't know much about them, myself, but I know enough to say that they're patently irrelevant to this discussion. It's like calling the Byzantine Empire "Rhomania", except it's not even valid. All the pedantry, none of the political (or historical for that matter) correctness.
 
He's trying to bag some historical hipster points by referencing these traditional Russian communal...things that existing during the Tsarist era. Okay, I don't know much about them, myself, but I know enough to say that they're patently irrelevant to this discussion. It's like calling the Byzantine Empire "Rhomania", except it's not even valid. All the pedantry, none of the political (or historical for that matter) correctness.

I think he is referring to a man called Vladimir Lenin who was assassinated in 1904. He was a marxist and some people say he would have been a good leader for the revolution with his "bolshevik faction". He mentioned the use of "Soviets", a sort of workers councils. But it never went off the ground and the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party fell into obscurity against the much more powerfull Octobrist Party who supported the Tsar.
 
Britain may not have had to bankrupt itself or sacrifice the flower of three generations holding the line against the Reds. Somehow the US always gets the credit when the fact is that until the German Socialist Union was caught supplying arms to the Mississippi Workers Brotherhood they sat nice and safe behind thousands of mile of ocean and did nothing but shake their heads and get rich on British Armament orders.

God save the King and long live the Commonwealth.

there wasn't really any choice in the matter. Americans who were polled on the matter were 83% against sending troops to Europe to involve themselves in the 'tribal wars' there. We seemed perfectly safe, the economy was thriving (although not really booming), and there was a general attitude of 'if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone." Any president who moved to send troops to Europe would have been impeached. It took outside action to get us involved. The Germans interfering in our internal political matters was really a bad move on their part...
 
Clears room for veterans' tracts in Kenya and South Africa and Rhodesia.

Far Far too many. Even the walls of St Pauls couldn't have held all the names, if like the rest of Old London it wasn't radio active silt at the bottom of Churchill Lake.


Leave it to the Britis to combine post-nuclear resilience, Oxbridge colonial bureaucrats, and elements of proto-feudalism into something that still doesn't see the sun set upon it...
 
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