DBWI: Germany Doesn't Breakup After The Great War?

[AltoRegnant]

OTL, the German Empire broke apart into several states again very soon after the war ended, due to the resentment of Prussia over the war, economic and political unrest. By 1919, Bavaria had been restored to the map, Silesia had joined Poland, the lands around the Rhine river were a republic allied to france, Saxony had absorbed the central german states, and Prussia was a shadow of it's former self. Austria and Bavaria eventually united into South Germany, but beyond that, the borders have remained largely the same.

But what if Germany survived as a united state and credible idea?

 

[Salvador79]

OOC: how are Bavaria and Austria "Low" Germany?

 

[AltoRegnant]

OOC: how are Bavaria and Austria "Low" Germany?

ooc: because i forgot how german dialects work and went w/north to south

 

[Deleted member 94680]

OOC: how are Bavaria and Austria "Low" Germany?

OOC: How do WAllies allow this to happen when they forbid it OTL?

 

[Salvador79]

OOC: How do WAllies allow this to happen when they forbid it OTL?

OOC: The situation mentioned in the DBOP is so different from OTL that they might. After all, this is not about Germany and German Austria uniting into Greater Germany, which the French and Czechoslovaks were afraid of and the Italians disapproved of. It's about two shards from a splintered Germany reuniting. Bavaria-Austria is not exactly a fearsome giant. Italy might actually approve of it as an even larger client state of theirs in the German realm, compared to just Austria.

IC: Well, a good PoD for this would be not to have the German October Revolution diverge so greatly into different directions. I don't see how Liebknecht, Adenauer, Haas/Kolb, and Eisner come back together again. Maybe if the Empire's SPD leadership decided to jump on the bandwagon of the mutinies/strikes/revolution and hijack it? They seemed to be the most vociferous proponents of electing a constituent assembly for a reunifying German Republic IOTL, maybe if they got involved earlier and could have steered the process more?

If that happened, Europe would certainly look very different. The SPD was a lot more reformist, so maybe instead of the various radical interludes which collapsed after a few years and gave way to statelets in different spheres of influence who, with different shades, more or less all followed the political doctrine of Christian Socialism, Germany would be more Social Democratic, like the Scandinavian countries maybe? I can't even begin to fathom what this means for geopolitics, though...

 

[Deleted member 94680]

OOC: The situation mentioned in the DBOP is so different from OTL that they might. After all, this is not about Germany and German Austria uniting into Greater Germany, which the French and Czechoslovaks were afraid of and the Italians disapproved of. It's about two shards from a splintered Germany reuniting. Bavaria-Austria is not exactly a fearsome giant. Italy might actually approve of it as an even larger client state of theirs in the German realm, compared to just Austria.

OOC: But would the WAllies see it that way though?

• An internal schism in Germany results in North Germany and South Germany.
• Later, North Germany recovers (as the British and French always assumed they would)
• Prussia absorbs South Germany (who, I assume, would be without any Allies of note)

and

• You end up with Greater Germany.

 

[AltoRegnant]

OOC: But would the WAllies see it that way though?

• An internal schism in Germany results in North Germany and South Germany.
• Later, North Germany recovers (as the British and French always assumed they would)
• Prussia absorbs South Germany (who, I assume, would be without any Allies of note)

and

• You end up with Greater Germany.

Ooc: prussia has lost silesia, the rhine is in the french sphere, and Saxony isn't likely go give up independence for an empire that failed before. A reunited Germany would be rather difficult to achieve

 

[Deleted member 94680]

Ooc: prussia has lost silesia, the rhine is in the french sphere, and Saxony isn't likely go give up independence for an empire that failed before. A reunited Germany would be rather difficult to achieve

OOC: but then worry would remain nonetheless.

 

[AltoRegnant]

What would happen to the entente ttl? When germany collapsed and was discredited as an idea, france was once again the dominant land power, and had largely gotten past their military problems by the 20s, meaning that the alliance kinda broke up. Britain and France were on good terms of course, but there wasnt an existential threat to drive them to cooperation, other than the Soviet union, but the soviets were in no shape to do anything until about 41 otl.