DBWI: Gerald Ford lost in 1976?

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
Oh God, her...
Spent a bit too much time around Keith Joseph.
As a Brit I'm obviously pretty interested in how this would affect the UK/The Special Relationship. If Reagan did win I can't see him getting along well with Callaghan in the early 80s or Heseltine later on, but maybe the butterflies could mean Callaghan waits before clalifn an election, maybe even until 1979. That could mean that Margaret Thatcher (look her up if you don't know, she is pretty obscure as opposition leaders go) wins... now she certainly would get alone well with Reagan...
There is the question is Neave could give her the backing she needed ITTL; he helped her get in when du Cann turned poison, of course, but at the same time could he have given her the support she needed after '78 instead of reluctently backing Whitelaw? I imagine had Carter been in power during the latter half of the 70's, the economic results could have led to a worse 1978...
 
I wonder what Israel's like ITTL? I wonder if relations might cool just as much, if not more then OTL, with the man responsible for same IOTL now sitting at the President's desk...
 
It may be implausible, but...

Gerald Ford | Nelson Rockefeller
(1974-1977)

Jimmy Carter | Walter Mondale
(1977-1981)

Ronald Reagan | George H.W Bush
(1981-1989)

George H.W. Bush | Dan Quayle
(1989-1993)

Bill Clinton | Al Gore
(1993-2001)

George W. Bush | Dick Cheney
(2001-2009)

Barack Obama | Joe Biden
(2009-2017)

Donald Trump | Mike Pence
(2017-)

Compared to OTL?:

Gerald Ford | Nelson Rockefeller
(1974-1977)

Gerald Ford | Bob Dole
(1977-1981)

Ted Kennedy | Henry "Scoop" Jackson
(1981-1983)

Henry "Scoop" Jackson | Vacant

(1983-1983)

Thomas "Tip" O'Neil | Vacant

(1983-1985)

Dick Gephardt | Sam Nunn
(1985-1993)

John McCain | Ron Paul
(1993-2001)

Ron Paul | John Kasich
(2001-2005)

Howard Dean | Joe Biden
(2005-2013)

Randal "Rand" Paul | Rick Santorum
(2013-2017)

John F. Kennedy Jr. | Julian Castro
(2017-202?)
 
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I know that his father always had issue with Saddam Hussein when he was in the CIA, so a friend of mine suggested to me that Bush would have actually INVADED Iraq to take out Hussein in the name of "democracy".

Invade Iraq? After all the stuff the US gave them to join in fighting the Iranians? After just quietly letting Iraq occupy Khuzuestan, Abu Musa, Greater Tunbs and Lesser Tunbs? No way...

Mind you, occupying Khuzuestan let Iraq really grow its economy substantially... Saddam was a bastard, but he knew what to do with his oil money, and there's a reason Iraq's the premiere power of the Arab world these days.
 
Compared to OTL?:

Gerald Ford | Nelson Rockefeller
(1974-1977)

Gerald Ford | Bob Dole
(1977-1981)

Ted Kennedy | Henry "Scoop" Jackson
(1981-1983)

Henry "Scoop" Jackson | Vacant

(1983-1983)

Thomas "Tip" O'Neil | Vacant

(1983-1985)

Dick Gephardt | Sam Nunn
(1985-1993)

John McCain | Ron Paul
(1993-2001)

Ron Paul | John Kasich
(2001-2005)

Howard Dean | Joe Biden
(2005-2013)

Randal "Rand" Paul | Rick Santorum
(2013-2017)

John F. Kennedy Jr. | Julian Castro
(2017-202?)
Ahem...
Yeah, Paul was weird. 2004 was a strange year. Paul's a great advocate but not the best Chief Executive. That would be why we got Bernie 4 years after him and Warren now.
 
Oops, I'm getting OTL mixed up with a project I'm working on ("4 more years: An earlier Ron Paul Presidency").

Presidents post McCain look like this:

Bill Clinton | Evan Bayh
(2001-2005)

Ron Paul | John "Jeb" Bush
(2005-2009)

Bernie Sanders | Paul Wellstone
(2009-2014)

Bernie Sanders | Vacant
(2014-2014)

Bernie Sanders | Elizabeth Warren
(2014-2017)

Elizabeth Warren | Russ Feingold
(2017-202?)
 
Oops, I'm getting OTL mixed up with a project I'm working on ("4 more years: An earlier Ron Paul Presidency").

Presidents post McCain look like this:

Bill Clinton | Evan Bayh
(2001-2005)

Ron Paul | John "Jeb" Bush
(2005-2009)

Bernie Sanders | Paul Wellstone
(2009-2014)

Bernie Sanders | Vacant
(2014-2014)

Bernie Sanders | Elizabeth Warren
(2014-2017)

Elizabeth Warren | Russ Feingold
(2017-202?)
Eh. It was an honest mistake
 

Rarename91

Banned
The election of 1976 was famously close and it looked like Ford might lose it for a while there. I doubt Carter would have done any better then Ford did with the absolute cluster-fuck that was the Energy Crisis, though he might have done better in the Middle East, as his Secretary of State term will show. With the Democrats unpopular under Carter, the Democrats probably won't win 1980, let alone in a 45-state landslide. Definitely no President Ted, Probably no Hard-Left turn like in OTL and you can kiss 16 years of Democrats goodbye. What happens to Reagan? ITTL, he might win the Presidency in 1980, as he tried to OTL. Your thoughts?
reagan could have been the republican Fdr.
 
ooc: Ron Paul | John "Jeb" Bush? was ron paul force at gun point or something ron paul would rather run naked cover in steaming hot tar then be on a ticket with a bush.
A different GOP in a Ford wins 76 causes this, and there were plenty of times throughout history (in OTL and Alternate) where a nominee chooses a running he does t particularly care for for the sake of party unity.
 
Compared to OTL?:

Gerald Ford | Nelson Rockefeller
(1974-1977)

Gerald Ford | Bob Dole
(1977-1981)

Ted Kennedy | Henry "Scoop" Jackson
(1981-1983)

Henry "Scoop" Jackson | Vacant

(1983-1983)

Thomas "Tip" O'Neil | Vacant

(1983-1985)

Dick Gephardt | Sam Nunn
(1985-1993)

John McCain | Ron Paul
(1993-2001)

Ron Paul | John Kasich
(2001-2005)

Howard Dean | Joe Biden
(2005-2013)

Randal "Rand" Paul | Rick Santorum
(2013-2017)

John F. Kennedy Jr. | Julian Castro
(2017-202?)

Beau Biden, not Joe. Joe had an aneurysm in 1992.
 
A different GOP in a Ford wins 76 causes this, and there were plenty of times throughout history (in OTL and Alternate) where a nominee chooses a running he does t particularly care for for the sake of party unity.

ITTL, a reality star is President. That indicates an unimaginable dissatisfaction with the establishments of both parties.

An establishment figure like Jeb would have a tough time with the GOP base with that kind of national mood.
 
Beau Biden, not Joe. Joe had an aneurysm in 1992.
Everything after John McCain in that list was false, I got my TL I'm working on mixed up with OTL. Biden also had the aneurysm in 2002, not 1992, so Paul winning in 2000 instead of Clinton could change that.
 
ITTL, a reality star is President. That indicates an unimaginable dissatisfaction with the establishments of both parties.

An establishment figure like Jeb would have a tough time with the GOP base with that kind of national mood.
Pence is pretty establishment and he didn't have any trouble being Trump's VP.
 
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