DBWI General Napoleon was born French

I read somewhere that days after General Napoleon was born, the island he was born on came under French control, he missed out on a French citizenship by that much.

I am pretty sure that his father would have still pushed him into joining the military.

I doubt that the Two Sicilies and Naples would be Genoese anymore. I am pretty sure that the Italian peninsula would still be divided, I am sure that the general would make his way across the Rhine instead into the Germanic countries.
 

Dirk_Pitt

Banned
OOC: So Ol' Nappy becomes famous Italian general instead of a French one? 'Kay.

Honestly, Italy wouldn't be united and wouldn't have the impressive colonial empire it had well into the 1970s.
 
A good thing? You think the continuing economic crisis that never got reformed even after the rebellion under Louis was a good thing?

To be fair, it was only a few monarchs later, that they finally dissolved the throne. Remember the referendum?

I could not imagine how anyone could have done better in that position, France backed themselves into a hole helping the Americans in their long and bloody war.

Louis may have stopped one rebellion, but Louisiana still seceded with very little bloodshed.
 

birdboy2000

Banned
OOC: What is the cause-and-effect chain where no Napoleon leads to no successful French revolution?

OOC: No PoD has been identified, but I think the note of Napoleon as "Genoese" upthread is relevant. For whatever reason, the Corsican Republic, and its first-in-the-world experiment in enlightenment ideas, was either reconquered by Genoa, not France, or (I think more likely) never existed.
 
Honestly, Italy wouldn't be united and wouldn't have the impressive colonial empire it had well into the 1970s.

Yeah, it's not that no-one else could unify Italy-it's that no-one else could unify Italy AND fight off foreign domination of the new country AND compromise with the Catholic Church AND conquer colonies. I don't think the colonial empire was that impressive, though-sure, Italy had control of some very vital colonies like post-French Haiti and Morocco, but the colonies mostly drained money from the treasury in the name of national glory.

Apropos nothing, what do you guys think of the Roman minister resigning? The Pope says that he's going to actually let the city elect a new minister, and that his appointee will just be interim minister! Pretty exciting to see democracy in Rome. [OOC: I see Rome as being it's own enclave under the control of the Pope ITTL, due to the deal Napoleon made.]
 
So do you suppose his son would have been able to fight in the War of British Sucsession, if it had even occured?

Maybe, but his chances still wouldn't be looking good. The British, Hanoverians, Japanese, and Prussians had a combined army that were able to defeat armies coming from five different directions OTL, and Napoleon's son was killed in one of the battles. In TTL, Louis would probably still be able to crush the revolt, and chances are, Napoleon probably wouldn't be as famous as OTL, and his son might be a French nobody soldier who died in the War of the British Succession.

Nobody, not even Napoleon's son, can prevent a personal union of Great Britain and Prussia once the Hanoverian line ran out of heirs.
 
OOC: No PoD has been identified, but I think the note of Napoleon as "Genoese" upthread is relevant. For whatever reason, the Corsican Republic, and its first-in-the-world experiment in enlightenment ideas, was either reconquered by Genoa, not France, or (I think more likely) never existed.

OOC: The POD is the island that Napoleon was born on is in possession of Genoa during the birth of Napoleon Bonaparte
 
I'm curious on the effects of the Ottomans. Before Napoleon the Ottomans had to focus on the Balkans and the Middle East. But after Napoleon conquered/liberated kicked them out of the European proper The turks focused on the arab portion of their empire and started making an Ottoman state out of the Arabs.

Side note would Greek Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church be in communion if the Catholics hadn't gotten such a good name in freeing the Greeks and giving them Constantinople?

OOC* How would Italy hold Austria, The Greek Italian divide I can see being bridged but I can't imagine that many Germans would be fond of being ruled by Italy. Also the borders would be horrendous.
 
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