DBWI :France surrenders

What if French military observers in Poland were not able to have the influence they had in reforming the French Army enough to stop it about 3/4 of the ways to Paris or is this pure ASB?
 
The problems with the French Army at the time were systemic. There simply wasn't the time to "fix" them completely. The only tangible impact that these observers had was after the Germans had attacked.

The French were able to use a strong guerrilla force in the North and were able to buy enough time so that the Germans stalled just south of Paris. Even then, If it hadn't been for British & American supplies, they'd have been totally out of it by mid '42.
 

Archibald

Banned
Sedan could have been as disastrous as Azincourt. Fortunately others troops firmly held their positions in Stone and Le Mont dieu thus allowing an efficient counterattack on may 15th.
This barely filled the gap dug by Rommel, but that was enough to hold the germans until the best troops came back from Maastricht.

Then may 19th 1940 was doomsday for lots of Stukas and Panzer II slaughtered by D-520 and B1bis.
De Gaulle 4eme DCR crushed panzers as if they were toys.

After that Germany definitively lost the war as more as more and more B1ter and VG-33 entered service.
The latter proved a lethal surprise for many 109 's pilots during the air campaign over Alsace in september 1940.

As of 1942 the french army fielded 10 DCR, all B1bis had been withdrawn in favor of B1ter, Richelieu and Jean Bart had sunk Tirpitz and Sheer.
 

Thande

Donor
VoCSe will be along in a while to :mad: at you all for not following the rules of a DBWI.

Swiftly followed by Hendryk pointing out that France never surrendered in OTL, they just accepted a punishing armistice.
 
VoCSe will be along in a while to :mad: at you all for not following the rules of a DBWI.

Swiftly followed by Hendryk pointing out that France never surrendered in OTL, they just accepted a punishing armistice.

Which amonted to the same thing.
 
The problems with the French Army were fixed with the 1939 Reforms, which changed the French Armee and made it function far better.

However, the problems with the Third Republic--People like Pierre Laval shouting "Better Hitler than Blum" are the real culprit here. If France had surrendered instead going into a negotiated peace, they might have gotten better terms from Germany. I find it rather Sobering that the French are forced to evacuate many of their own people for a Germanisung in the West.

Of course, after the war, most of these areas were restored to France.
 
The germany would be better prepared when the russian attacked them in 1943. Europe wouldn't fall to the communists and there would be no US - USSR proxy war in china.
 
They didn' keep it very long, they were out of Europe (outside European USSR)in 1947.

Their french allies ruled europe in 1947. Britian got nuked into submission in 1946 and spain and portugal fell quickly after the french switched sides in 1943. The US/Soviet proxy war after WW2 was a really nasty affair. The war lasted 10 years and badly crippeled both sides. Without it the US would still be a democracy today and only god knows how many people got killed when the second purge happend in the USSR.
 
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