DBWI: First Black US President Will Visit CSA!

---BREAKING NEWS---
"...the White House has announced that Frederick DuBois Jr., the first black President of the United States, will make a state visit to the CSA later this year. This announcement ends months of speculation about the possibility for such a visit that began even before President DuBois, himself the descendent of escaped slaves, was elected last November...

The Confederate Negro Congress has welcomed news of the historic visit, which will take place shortly before 100th anniversary of the abolition of slavery in the CSA. The CSA's leading white party, the ruling Constitutional Democratic Party, has also welcomed the news..."

Your reactions to this historic event?
 
You set such a pleasant tone, Desmond. It's almost like we forget how bad things were with President Long down there.

Frankly, I have to think that there is likely to be an assassination attempt--there is, for good reason, the perception that Confederates are basically a bunch of gun totting nuts. And you should add that they only gave up slavery after the Treaty of Hamburg signed in the first world war demanded it and major territorial concessions.

I am very lukewarm with this--the Confederate States has treaded the line between dictatorships and democracy in the past and fallen on either side. I'm profoundly unsure that we want to build a good relationship with the CSA--this would hurt our relationship with Mexico. And Mexico is the richer, the more productive country with major trade ties--after we took Texas and Virginia from the CSA at Hamburg, they've been losers.
 

Faraday Cage

While trading relations with Mexico are important, the Confederacy's position as part of the North American nuclear defense umbrella is also vital from a strategic standpoint. The CSA is our shield against the Franco-German position at Cuba, after all.
 
You set such a pleasant tone, Desmond. It's almost like we forget how bad things were with President Long down there.

Frankly, I have to think that there is likely to be an assassination attempt--there is, for good reason, the perception that Confederates are basically a bunch of gun totting nuts. And you should add that they only gave up slavery after the Treaty of Hamburg signed in the first world war demanded it and major territorial concessions.

I am very lukewarm with this--the Confederate States has treaded the line between dictatorships and democracy in the past and fallen on either side. I'm profoundly unsure that we want to build a good relationship with the CSA--this would hurt our relationship with Mexico. And Mexico is the richer, the more productive country with major trade ties--after we took Texas and Virginia from the CSA at Hamburg, they've been losers.


These are valid points. However, sometimes it is necessary for the stronger power (us) to extend its hand to a teetering neighbor. As you point out, the CSA has basically spent its entire history stumbling between weak decentralized democracy and repellent dicatorships. The current Constitutional Democratic administration of James Earl Carter comes about as close as we can expect to a stable, vaguely progressive, regime down in Dixie right now. It is certainly preferable to the near anarchy of the previous Gore bunch. Under Carter, the CSA has legalized the CNC and even talks about eventual citizenship for some CS negroes. True, Mexico is by far the more powerful and dynamic power, but it is much more dictatorial than the CSA. Plus, the Mexicans themselves have designs on the CSA. What would you rather have bordering the United States, a weak and backward confederacy completely dependent upon us for its continued existence, or a rich, well-armed, and aggressive Empire which is our natural competitor for regional hegemony?

I say this is definitely the time for rapproachment with the Southrons.

However, I do agree that we must ensure President DuBois is well-protected. Oddly, however, I am afraid his greatest danger comes, not from racist white radicals (who one expects both US and CS security agencies will be on the lookout for), but from fringe radicals of the CNC who would like nothing more than to foment an outright war between us and the Confeds.
 
For all of the talk of reform, they still have imprisoned Governors Clinton and Gore since 1988 for the ambiguous crimes of "seditious conduct". Second, if wasn't for the loss of Miami in Hurricane Jocelyn last month, along with the flooding of New Orleans in 2005, does anyone believe that the CSA would have made civil rights "concessions" that it had made in the past 3 years? I think not.
 

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For all of the talk of reform, they still have imprisoned Governors Clinton and Gore since 1988 for the ambiguous crimes of "seditious conduct". Second, if wasn't for the loss of Miami in Hurricane Jocelyn last month, along with the flooding of New Orleans in 2005, does anyone believe that the CSA would have made civil rights "concessions" that it had made in the past 3 years? I think not.

Well, before he became vice-president of the CSA and later president in 2004 after the assasination of Reginald Bloomberg, James Carter was a Baptist pastor in Athens, Georgia, and became famous (or infamous, depending on who you are) for a series of sermons calling for a gradual path to universal black citizenship. Of course, when choosing Carter to shore up the Christian Prohibitionist wing of the party, nobody in the leadership of the Constitutional Democrats ever figured this infirm and aging moralist would ever live long-enough to become president!
 
Well, before he became vice-president of the CSA and later president in 2004 after the assasination of Reginald Bloomberg, James Carter was a Baptist pastor in Athens, Georgia, and became famous (or infamous, depending on who you are) for a series of sermons calling for a gradual path to universal black citizenship. Of course, when choosing Carter to shore up the Christian Prohibitionist wing of the party, nobody in the leadership of the Constitutional Democrats ever figured this infirm and aging moralist would ever live long-enough to become president!
If Carter was truly serious about the issue of race relations, why are members of the Georgia and Alabama state militias currently aiding Afrikaaner forces in Johannesburg. Also, they have yet to control the constant traffic of crystal-meth drugs along the US/CSA border....
 
If Carter was truly serious about the issue of race relations, why are members of the Georgia and Alabama state militias currently aiding Afrikaaner forces in Johannesburg. Also, they have yet to control the constant traffic of crystal-meth drugs along the US/CSA border....

Well, we need to understand that "progressive" Southron views on race are inherently conservative and non-revolutionary. They are more concerned with preserving the existing aristocratic power structure by making it more humane and less focused on race. To Carter, negro citizenship implies the granting of full "official" rights to blacks, educating them, while making them essentially happy to occupy the lower rungs of the social ladder. One way this is accomplished is by deliberately comparing "progressive negros" like the mainstream CNC and various wealthy negro sports and entertainment figures very favorably in comparison with the low-class whites which form the core of support for the more radical racist parties like the White Alliance and National Democrats. By telling "well behaved" blacks that they are more worthy than many working-class whites (who are often the most explicitly and violently racist), the Constitutional Democrats are virtually ensuring that, when and if all negroes are given sufferage, the party will dominate the CSA for generations to come. Since the main focus of the party since its founding under Robert E Lee in 1872 has been to preserve the agrarian aristocracy's priveledged position in Southron politics, an alliance with their former slaves against the capitalists and their current "slaves", the nationalistc socialist poor white wage-workers of the White Alliance and National Democrats, only makes sense.
 

Faraday Cage

Yeah but would you rather the CSA turn DuPontist, join the Franco-Germans, and have missiles pointed at us from Atlanta rather than all the way in Havana?
 
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