DBWI-First black president of the CSA has died

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Martin Luther King Jr., the man who made history as the first black president of the Confederate States of America, passed away this morning after a long struggle with stomach cancer.

During his term, from 1977 to 1983, King did much to improve race relations between whites and blacks and improve the lot of blacks, helping to move past the specters of slavery and segregation. He also took a hardline stance towards the white supremacist government of the United States.

So, what is your opinion on King's legacy?
 
The fact that King was even elected in the first place speaks volumes about how far the Southrons have come. It's hard to believe that the country which was founded on the ideal that slavery was a good thing would elect a black president. However, I don't think this would have been possible without the American occupation in the 1930s, which finally ended the institution of slavery and restructured the old Confederacy into a true representative democracy.


Edit:My response completely went against the OP. I wrote a new one above.
Bad response:Is this a DBWI? The CSA collapsed during the Southern Civil War in 1893. Unless you're talking about the Republic of South Carolina (do they still call themselves the CSA?).
 
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King was a good man, and I greatly respect him for his handling of both the Black Nationalists, the Brotherhood of the Burning Cross and all the other radicals, but his early political activism wasn't so great. His whole Baptist-Socialist past really hurt his reputation among the New Democrats when it surfaced. The Johnson administration kind of paved the way for his successes, but he was the one who put most of the reforms in place, and he looked out for the common folk like no one did since Huey Long back in the 40's.
 
King was a good man, and I greatly respect him for his handling of both the Black Nationalists, the Brotherhood of the Burning Cross and all the other radicals, but his early political activism wasn't so great. His whole Baptist-Socialist past really hurt his reputation among the New Democrats when it surfaced. The Johnson administration kind of paved the way for his successes, but he was the one who put most of the reforms in place, and he looked out for the common folk like no one did since Huey Long back in the 40's.

If anything, I always thought King's leftist roots gave him more credibility. It made people more willing to believe that his rhetoric about "equality for all Southrons" wasn't just talk.
 
If anything, I always thought King's leftist roots gave him more credibility. It made people more willing to believe that his rhetoric about "equality for all Southrons" wasn't just talk.

I see your point, but he had some shady contacts with more radical Marxists groups. He was good friends with Martin Sostre and other syndicalists involved in the Montgomery bombings.
 
I see your point, but he had some shady contacts with more radical Marxists groups. He was good friends with Martin Sostre and other syndicalists involved in the Montgomery bombings.

True, but he was never actually implicated in any of the attacks. Also, the way he called the United States a "white supremacist" government was highly controversial*, especially when you consider the role the US played in destroying the actual white supremacist government in Richmond. It can be a bit annoying to hear Southrons parrot that statement. It's no more accurate than when a US Senator calls the French "freedom-hating communists", as though the government in Paris was somehow comparable to the one in Moscow.


*Although even I have to admit he has a point. Racist laws in the US persisted well into the 1970s.
 
True, but he was never actually implicated in any of the attacks. Also, the way he called the United States a "white supremacist" government was highly controversial*, especially when you consider the role the US played in destroying the actual white supremacist government in Richmond. It can be a bit annoying to hear Southrons parrot that statement. It's no more accurate than when a US Senator calls the French "freedom-hating communists", as though the government in Paris was somehow comparable to the one in Moscow.


*Although even I have to admit he has a point. Racist laws in the US persisted well into the 1970s.

Yeah, but they are politicians, they need someone to point a finger at, rightly or not.
 
The fact that King was even elected in the first place speaks volumes about how far the Southrons have come. It's hard to believe that the country which was founded on the ideal that slavery was a good thing would elect a black president. However, I don't think this would have been possible without the American occupation in the 1930s, which finally ended the institution of slavery and restructured the old Confederacy into a true representative democracy.

Yeah. It's basically what gave birth to the Second Confederate Republic in 1939.....if it hadn't been for the New Orleans Constitution, slavery would have lingered on until perhaps as late as the 1960s, maybe the middle 1970s, before an economic collapse took out the whole thing(in fact, even before the Third War Between the States, there were signs of near-term serious problems on the horizon). It came to the C.S. at the cost of Virginia, parts of Tennessee(just barely including Nashville) and the Sequoyah Territory, but it worked.

And without Reconstruction, there wouldn't have been a new society. No Southern Spring of 1957.....no social reform in the Sixties.....and no Martin Luther King, Jr.

Rest in peace, MLK. You truly were a shining example of humanity.
 

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True, but he was never actually implicated in any of the attacks. Also, the way he called the United States a "white supremacist" government was highly controversial*, especially when you consider the role the US played in destroying the actual white supremacist government in Richmond. It can be a bit annoying to hear Southrons parrot that statement. It's no more accurate than when a US Senator calls the French "freedom-hating communists", as though the government in Paris was somehow comparable to the one in Moscow.


*Although even I have to admit he has a point. Racist laws in the US persisted well into the 1970s.

To tell the truth, the Northern intervention in the 1930s had nothing to do with liberating the blacks. The US was simply getting rid of an antagonistic regime. The fact that it paved the way for the end of the South's institutionalized racism was a happy side effect.
 
*Although even I have to admit he has a point. Racist laws in the US persisted well into the 1970s.

Well, this may be true for Utah, at least; interracial marriage & county-level segregation remained a fact of life until 1977 there. But few other states had segregation in the first place, and no other state still banned interracial marriage after Idaho voters dumped their law in 1961(in fact, half of the states never banned it at all; California, New Jersey, New York, and Minnesota actually signed laws that forbade these kinds of laws in their state constitutions, all of them by 1910).
 
To tell the truth, the Northern intervention in the 1930s had nothing to do with liberating the blacks. The US was simply getting rid of an antagonistic regime. The fact that it paved the way for the end of the South's institutionalized racism was a happy side effect.

True. We Americans have a tendency to exaggerate our country's achievements. We've all heard stories about old American war vets on vacation to Miami or New Orleans telling black Southrons "If it wasn't for us, you'd still be a slave!".
 
True. We Americans have a tendency to exaggerate our country's achievements. We've all heard stories about old American war vets on vacation to Miami or New Orleans telling black Southrons "If it wasn't for us, you'd still be a slave!".

Yeah, but that's actually pretty rare, TBH(ironically, it's why we hear about it a lot when it does happen), and mostly a problem with the more hardcore neo-cons; in fact, there was a well-known incident in November 1971 in which a guy called in to a Lincoln, NE radio station to go on a twenty-minute rant to that effect. Here's the thing, though: 90% of the callers that followed.....were actually disgusted by this man's statements. And when his identity was found out, he was publically shamed on local TV(And Nebraska is one of the more conservative states, mind you.). A buddy of my mother's who works at a TV station in Denver gave us a free copy of the 1/20/1972 special broadcast of "Good Evening, America", that discussed this, and how it relates to American feelings about the end of Confederate slavery and race relations in general.
 
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