DBWI: experimenting with girls more excepted then with boys

it's not uncommon for guy to "experiment" sexual with other guys, and the media is always filled with guys kissing other guys, but for some reason is much less exceptable for two girls to "experiment" together. why do think thats the case and what would our world look like if it were the other way around?
 
I think you'd have a pretty big 'ick factor' to overcome before society can deal with sexually active and forward women. Everybody accepts that men will be men and have needs, but the idea that a woman might enjoy not just romantic love, but sex, and indeed might initiate it still challenges received stereotypes. And there is little better evidence for the fact than that women will have sex with each other.

Ultimately, I'm not sure what might trigger such a change. Change biologistic sexual thinking? Relax the virginity taboo? Maybe a shift in religious thought, towards a stronger emphasis away from the fact of lust and towards the choice of partner in the Middle Ages? Not sure.
 
Male love has a whole cultural background that isn't their for lesbianism, even for bi-curious experimentation.

The Greeks had it as the highest form of love, throughout Asia there was similar 'life apprenctice' pedastry, even the Koran though frowning on it, believes such experimentation is almost expected.

You have the idea of male camraderie, particularly in the military throughout history, right from the 'brother' system of certain Greek city-states. Such bonding and dedication is bound to lead to more occassionally and thats excepted. The infamous 'dont ask, dont tell' policy of many modern militaries, although seen as homophobic to more liberal minds merly an extension of this. Plus with great military leaders like Alexander, Richard the Lionheart and possibly Montogmery and others thought of as at least bisexual, the idea of being gay and also masculine are excepted in modern society.

Meanwhile even today, the bull-dyke stereotype is still very intrenched particularly amongst women themselves. This idea of a militant, manly, aggressive lesbian no matter how much garbage it is, is casually accepted by many. Even with the splurge of 'dyke programmes' on TV recently, chat shows, dramas, lifestyle programmes, all which apparently represent and empower lesbians (and to an extent do), the stereotype is still there. I mean who can forget Ellen DeGeneres almost quitting her toprated chatshow because the execs barred her wishes to wear skirts or dresses on the show, or the shock in the press when she appeared with long, styled hair? Its this desperate attempt to not noramlise lesbianism but the lesbian stereotype.

There's plenty of 'queer' and 'fag' bashers in the world but do you think the majority would buy or accept, say Graham Norton in the UK, to come out on his show and start camping it up? No its not the 1960s, they'd see it as patronising, bigoted.

For modern views of homosexuality to switch, you'd have to have a POD a way while back. What is Greek ideas of beauty were focused on women, not men? Or Greek civilisation was conquered by the Persians, not allowing to influence Rome so much.

More modern, maybe a lot of scandals see law and social bigotry grow. The Victorians were certainly the most draconian on the practice, how about someone like Oscar Wilde (okay is stil debated if he was gay, but there's certainly a bit of 'Greek stuff' going on there) gets found out put on trial- big moral outrage about boyfriends or rent boys, plus feeds in to the limp-wristed hedonistic queer stereotype.

Also might want to limit how much women except male homosexuality, at least the idea of it. Although porn in general is very much male dominated gay porn, and erotic fiction even more so, has a large female following.

You'd need to get men across the board to see lesbianism in the same light for it be widely accepted. Its starting to happen, and there always has been a niche lesbian/threesome market aimed at men, but now with Japanese comics as an example, no matter how annoying the pretenscious pubescent readership can be, it seems to be a very influential well of progressive sexual ideas, hell lesbian books are being bought up ever more by girls, obviously more willing to experiment.

But imagine how such a world would effect popular culture- some of the greatest relationships in fiction from literature to movies to TV have been based on the ideal of pseudo-homosexual platonic love, and in more recent times ideas of open bisexuality/homosexuality. Its been made fun of plenty, but would Star Wars have been quite the same without the Luke-Han plantonic Greek battle-brother love element? Or Dr. Who latest reincarnation as bisexual, totally cementing his character as universal.

These aren't dominant in of themselves but to culture as a whole? I can't even begin to imagine it.

What about 300? :eek: Christ, if guy-on-guy was as sidelined as lesbian sex/kissing scenes are in OTL, one of the most kickass action films of all time would be relegated to specialist viewing shall we say.
 

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I think it would have to come from different ideas of women. For many years women have been viewed as objects for procreation. Take away the stigma as women as inferior or maybe a female dominated society.

I don't really think this is to plausible. I really don't think it's fair that theirs a stigma but you go back to the very roots of our culture. Even in ancient Greece a male lover was considered superior to a female. This really requires a very far back POD. Interesting idea though. Personally I believe all people are equal and I see no ick factor in two women being together, I just don't want to ever see it.
 
Didn't we have this discussion in the another thread it would have been a few years ago. It was when Xander came out in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" I mean that whole cleaning and assembling the weapons scene with Riley. Sure it boosted the ratings in the waning female demographic but polishing weapons as a metaphor for homosexuality is so Spartan.
 
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