DBWI : English Victory in The Anglo-Spanish War

Dolan

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As we know it, Saint Philip of Spain, who was then known as King Philip II of Spain, led the Spanish Armada's historic liberation of Ireland, August 1588. And from there raising a Catholic Army to finally end the reign of the Witch-Queen Elizabeth of England in 1590. The first major victory of Catholicism that will eventually end the Protestant Heresy that plagues Europe in the 16th century.

Now, let's said that the Protestant Heretics is somehow able to either ward off the Armada from landing or manage to retake Ireland early on before the Catholic army of Ireland become far too large to be defeated. What will happen next?
 

Dolan

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Oon't call us Protestants as heretics. It is insulting and might be actionable offense.
OOC: Of course, this is taking from in-character POV of Alternate World where Protestantism being defeated in European Wars of Religion. Not that I meant calling you that IRL, as this is DBWI.
 
OOC: Of course, this is taking from in-character POV of Alternate World where Protestantism being defeated in European Wars of Religion. Not that I meant calling you that IRL, as this is DBWI.

OOC: I know that. And for me it is unlikely that Protestantism would be totally defeated in Europe. It was quiet widespread alrady.
 

Dolan

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OOC: Ok, thanks.

Oon't call us Protestants as heretics. It is insulting and might be actionable offense.
IC: Well, I do know that America still holds a massive number of Protestants, and recent treaties do give them equal status with Catholics and Muslims after the American Revolt. But they basically exist in very few numbers here, in Europe.
 
Ireland wouldn't have become an integral part of the Iberian Empire and would be either completely conquered by England or more likely rebel at some point with the help of Catholic Europe. Without the devastation caused by the Spanish occupation and later the English Wars of Religion following their withdrawal as well as having the Iberians entrenched in their rear in Ireland, England could potentially be a lot stronger and maybe could've even colonised the Americas at one point instead of the Americas being split between Iberia and France.
 

Dolan

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Americas being split between Iberia and France.
Of course, The French end up permitting the Huguenots under Jean Calvin to be exiled in America instead of convert to the true faith. The French miscalculation ends up resulting in Amerique Republik to sprang up when the French King grew weak again.
 
OOC: Ok, thanks.


IC: Well, I do know that America still holds a massive number of Protestants, and recent treaties do give them equal status with Catholics and Muslims after the American Revolt. But they basically exist in very few numbers here, in Europe.

OOC: If England is Catholic, this seems very unlikely. Which Protestant nation is sending colonists?
 
OOC: If England is Catholic, this seems very unlikely. Which Protestant nation is sending colonists?
OOC: You might be able to with a POD of 1590 allow Sigimund Vasa stay as king in Sweden, eventually recatholicizing the country. That would leave the Dutch, Denmark-Norway, several northern German territories, Prussia, etc. Even Bohemia before the Thirty Years War. It seems like a Dutch-Danish alliance in the wake of England's fall would be the best possibility. Then a more extended War of Religion in Germany and Scandinavia could recatholicize Europe while leaving Protestants fleeing for the colonies. That sort of goes against what has been established so far with France and Iberia controlling the Americas.
 
Oon't call us Protestants as heretics. It is insulting and might be actionable offense.

This depends on time and place: in Russia circa XVI - early XVII the Catholics were “schismatic” and Protestants “heretics” (but they ended up being better than Catholics so don’t get insulted too fast :))
 
OOC: If England is Catholic, this seems very unlikely. Which Protestant nation is sending colonists?

OOC: Just because you cram a Catholic monarch on the throne dosen't mean you killed Protestantism in Britain. And its not like Britain IOTL banned Catholics from going to the colonies.

IC: You Franks and your Inquesitions; do you ever stop improvishing your domains and enrich our own by expelling Dhimmi who do not the strict interpretations of the Bishop of Rome? If Britain, the Neatherlands, and Northern Germany had been allowed to remain Protestant rather than forced back to Catholicism by swordpoint, it would have denied the Glorious House of Osman the great influx of bussiness accumune, naval skills, and other educated persons that lead to the great flourshing in the 17th and 18th centuries, especially with the Spainish leaving us breathing room to try to police their new and rebellious northern holds and thus unable to provide aid for their cousions in the east. I've visisted "Little London" in Salonkia, and its truely amazing to look over the history of the refugees
 
OOC: You might be able to with a POD of 1590 allow Sigimund Vasa stay as king in Sweden, eventually recatholicizing the country. That would leave the Dutch, Denmark-Norway, several northern German territories, Prussia, etc. Even Bohemia before the Thirty Years War. It seems like a Dutch-Danish alliance in the wake of England's fall would be the best possibility. Then a more extended War of Religion in Germany and Scandinavia could recatholicize Europe while leaving Protestants fleeing for the colonies. That sort of goes against what has been established so far with France and Iberia controlling the Americas.

OOC: Just because you cram a Catholic monarch on the throne dosen't mean you killed Protestantism in Britain. And its not like Britain IOTL banned Catholics from going to the colonies.

They sent very few Catholics to the Americas until much later, when Ireland was incorporated into the UK. The USA at independence was like 1 % Catholic.

You could have Protestant refugees to the New World but they probably will not have government support, and that makes it difficult to establish successful colonies. The OTL Huguenots tried in a few places but could not succeed. I think it is more likely that Protestant refugees just move around Europe.
 
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