DBWI: End Cold War

The Cold War has been going on for 70 years. How could we end it? If it could end who wins, the Warsaw Pact or NATO? Or can it end in a draw?
 
Thomas S. Power expressed the only way that the Cold War could end fairly simply:

"At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win!"
 
That or some sort of civil war in either the USA or USSR.

That’s borderline ASB, though. Both the US and the USSR have been among the world’s most stable countries for years, with periods of hardship like 1968 and 1989 notwithstanding.

I’m going to go with the rest of the thread and say that the only way this mess will ever really end is if World War III breaks out, and given the situation in Libya that may be sooner than we would like.
 
The Cold War has been going on for 70 years. How could we end it? If it could end who wins, the Warsaw Pact or NATO? Or can it end in a draw?

Well, during the 70's there was a very real chance the "Detante" movement could have resulted in a steady decrease in the built-up military power (including, and I know how crazy this sounds, some talk about dismantling some of the nuclear weapons.), but than Moscow had to pull a "Crazy Ivan" and invade Afghanistan (of all places). Once the military brass got us in bed with the Central Asian Sunni-Nationalists/Muslim Brotherhood as a potential counter, reproachment never had a prayer. The Near East always had some conflict or another popping up between the Baathists and Islamists (Like FieldMarshal pointed out, Libya is only the latest in a long string of civil warfare in the Arabic world... anybody remember Egypt, Iraq, Dagistan, Qatar...)
 
That’s borderline ASB, though. Both the US and the USSR have been among the world’s most stable countries for years, with periods of hardship like 1968 and 1989 notwithstanding.

I’m going to go with the rest of the thread and say that the only way this mess will ever really end is if World War III breaks out, and given the situation in Libya that may be sooner than we would like.

I can sort of see the USSR breaking up, but the amount of diversity in certain SSRs (Russians in Kazakhstan and in the Baltics, Armenians in Azerbaijan, Gaugaz Turks in Moldova etc.) has weakened nationalism in those areas.
 
I can sort of see the USSR breaking up, but the amount of diversity in certain SSRs (Russians in Kazakhstan and in the Baltics, Armenians in Azerbaijan, Gaugaz Turks in Moldova etc.) has weakened nationalism in those areas.

I honestly can't see the USSR breaking up, I'll have to admit. Can you imagine the economic mess that would result in the centralized distribution system breaking down? I mean, when I was in collage I had a guest professor from the USSR and he explained to us how, for example, every single lightbulb used in the country is produced in one (one!) industrial complex in Latvia. Sure, its not really helped in terms of fostering broad economic development, but systems like that were total masterstrokes in terms of guranteeing political stability.
 
Get OGAS to fail or be defunded. Without the 'Silicon Highway' the USSR likely finds its economy crashing in 1990 or 1992. Look how close 1988 came to shaking loose Eastern Europe with its declarations of independence - while Poland, Hungary, Eastern Germany, and Czechloslovakia broke loose the Romanians, Bulgarians, Yugoslavs, and Albanians are still under Moscow's yoke.
 
Perhaps if Nixon’s meeting with Chou Enlai had gone better, and Chou had more room to manuever following Mao’s death to accept Nixon’s overtures, Sino Russian reapproachment may not have occurred. Today, with Moscow and Peking tighter than ever, it’s hard to believe that Nixon’s plans to pry China out of Russia’s inevitable orbit could have been anything more than a pipe dream.
 
President Bush really dropped the ball when he let the Soviet union send soldiers into Romania. we had a serious chance of toppling The Ceaușescu dynasty and preventing there atrocities such as ordering the sterilization of every gypsy in the country or preventing his morally backwards institutionalization of crucifixion as a method of execution to deter treason against the state( which include listening to western Music and TV and reading Western books, failing to meet your production quota, questioning the great leader and many other offenses). And finally preventing them from buying nuclear technology from Pakistan allowing them to blackmail us into subsidizing their despotic government because we fear if they collapse their nuclear weapons could be launched against our allies in Europe or could be stolen by terrorists.
You only good thing about Romania being such a literal insane asylum is that Bulgaria is the only Soviet union dominated country that has good relationships with the west out of necessity. Nicu Ceaușescu Goes on our long diatribe claiming the Bulgarian government are sponsoring anti-government forces and saying eventually his countries patience will wear out and he will respond with fire and war. This is force them to pursue closer relationships with Greece and Turkey because they’re only other neighbor is the genocidal Serbian dominated Yugoslav state,that occasionally sprouts such gems as Bulgaria is an intra-goal part of Yugoslavia that will surely be reclaimed in the Full Ness of time( reports from defectors claim that if this happens at least 8to 10%of the Bulgarian population will have to be executed to break any form of resistance. These are only the low numbers the high numbers are in the 15 to 25% range) ,or all members of a traitor Family must be executed along with them to route out any possibility of future disloyalty ( this includes every member of the family up until they great great great great grandparents, The method of execution is being buried alive in concrete.
 
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President Bush really dropped the ball when he let the Soviet union send soldiers into Romania. we had a serious chance of toppling The Ceaușescu dynasty and preventing there atrocities such as ordering the sterilization of every gypsy in the country or preventing his morally backwards institutionalization of crucifixion as a method of execution to deter treason against the state( which include listening to western Music and TV and reading Western books, failing to meet your production quota, questioning the great leader and many other offenses). And finally preventing them from buying nuclear technology from Pakistan allowing them to blackmail us into subsidizing their despotic government because we fear if they collapse their nuclear weapons could be launched against our allies in Europe or could be stolen by terrorists.
You only good thing about Romania being such a literal insane asylum is that Bulgaria is the only Soviet union dominated country that has good relationships with the west out of necessity. Nicu Ceaușescu Goes on our long diatribe claiming the Bulgarian government are sponsoring anti-government forces and saying eventually his countries patience will wear out and he will respond with fire and war. This is force them to pursue closer relationships with Greece and Turkey because they’re only other neighbor is the genocidal Serbian dominated Yugoslav state,that occasionally sprouts such gems as Bulgaria is an intra-goal part of Yugoslavia that will surely be reclaimed in the Full Ness of time( reports from defectors claim that if this happens at least 8to 10%of the Bulgarian population will have to be executed to break any form of resistance. These are only the low numbers the high numbers are in the 15 to 25% range) ,or all members of a traitor to the state must be executed along with every member of their family to route out any disloyalty( this includes every member of the family up until they great great great great grandparents, The method of execution is being buried alive in concrete).
Romania is in the USSR’s backyard. There is nothing the USA could have done there, especially after Yugoslavia started leaning towards the USSR. I think you have your history mixed up as well, the USSR removed the Ceaușescu family after they tried starting a nuclear weapons program.
 
Romania is in the USSR’s backyard. There is nothing the USA could have done there, especially after Yugoslavia started leaning towards the USSR. I think you have your history mixed up as well, the USSR removed the Ceaușescu family after they tried starting a nuclear weapons program.
I have my history correct they managed to hide the fact they were developing nuclear weapons until they acquired them. You are thinking about that popular movie where the Soviet union found out about the Romanian nuclear program and managed to put in a government that is not full of insane people
 
I have my history correct they managed to hide the fact they were developing nuclear weapons until they acquired them. You are thinking about that popular movie where the Soviet union found out about the Romanian nuclear program and managed to put in a government that is not full of insane people

Minciunile voastre capitaliste nu sunt apreciate aici, porc! Toți salutați pe marele nostru lider!
 
Minciunile voastre capitaliste nu sunt apreciate aici, porc! Toți salutați pe marele nostru lider!
așa-numitul mare lider Nicu Ceaușescu este un sociopat, alcoolic și violator, motiv pentru care România nu are relații diplomatice cu Elveția. au un tras la vedere, din cauza a ceea ce a făcut în fosta ambasadă a României. Guvernul elvețian a găsit peste 37 de femei moarte care au semnalat că au fost torturați brutal în toate modurile posibile de către nicu celusescu și bodyguarzii săi.( I feel this is an accurate description of his personality based on what I read he was doing when his father was in power.) acțiunile sale au dus la elveția urmărirea unui dezastru nuclear și construirea unor baterii anti-rachete multiple pentru a-și apăra țara împotriva rachetelor nucleare românești. Acțiunile sale au creat un punct de aprindere pentru cel de-al treilea război mondial, deoarece președintele elvețian declară că dacă vor fi lansate rachete românești în Elveția, el va răspunde cu lansarea de rachete cu tentative nucleare cu ținte atât în Uniunea Sovietică, cât și în România. acțiunile sale au condus la prăbușirea economică din 1994, când guvernul elvețian a confiscat toate activele românești deținute în țară, a făcut apel bancar elvețian la împrumuturile pe care le-a făcut în România și, în cele din urmă, și-a folosit influența pentru a distruge capacitatea internațională a României de a achiziționa fonduri bancă, țară sau organizație.
 
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Face it, unless the USSR elects a madman as President who randomly decides to abandon the Warsaw Pact and thus the most important Soviet sphere of influence, the Cold War won’t end. USA doesn’t seem like it’ll be going into any turmoil anytime soon, and neither is the USSR. The last time any of the two seemed to be in any threat of dissolution was when the Soviets started social-economic reforms in the late 80s, and there was this big crackdown on nationalists and liberals. Apparently there were a lot of separatist movements in the Baltic Republics specifically, but I heard that before he was executed, Boris Yeltsin demanded independence to the RSFSR! What a lunatic!

Anyways, now with Sino-Soviet friendship being a thing again, there is zero possibility for NATO to defeat either. Even a limited war in Europe is pretty unlikely now that Germany reunified into that wacky “one nation, two systems” agreement and declared its neutrality.
 
I agree completely with what the Swiss government did. They may have caused the deaths of tens of thousands of Romanians because of starvation because they could not afford to buy food out of country. But they succeeded in deeply weakening Romania‘s ability to develop stronger nuclear weapon and missile technology. They are using the type of nuclear weapon were used by the United States in the early 1960s. We have to thank the Soviet union for refusing to sell them better missile technology forcing them to use modified missile technology that is simile out of date.
 
I have my history correct they managed to hide the fact they were developing nuclear weapons until they acquired them. You are thinking about that popular movie where the Soviet union found out about the Romanian nuclear program and managed to put in a government that is not full of insane people

Dead Red Redemption? Its a really overhyped film, in my opinion. The spy thriller cliches were so thick you needed a meat cleaver to cut through them.
 
așa-numi]tul mare lider Nicu Ceaușescu este un sociopat, alcoolic și violator, motiv pentru care România nu are relații diplomatice cu Elveția. au un tras la vedere, din cauza a ceea ce a făcut în fosta ambasadă a României. Guvernul elvețian a găsit peste 37 de femei moarte care au semnalat că au fost torturați brutal în toate modurile posibile de către nicu celusescu și bodyguarzii săi.( I feel this is an accurate description of his personality based on what I read he was doing when his father was in power.) acțiunile sale au dus la elveția urmărirea unui dezastru nuclear și construirea unor baterii anti-rachete multiple pentru a-și apăra țara împotriva rachetelor nucleare românești. Acțiunile sale au creat un punct de aprindere pentru cel de-al treilea război mondial, deoarece președintele elvețian declară că dacă vor fi lansate rachete românești în Elveția, el va răspunde cu lansarea de rachete cu tentative nucleare cu ținte atât în Uniunea Sovietică, cât și în România. acțiunile sale au condus la prăbușirea economică din 1994, când guvernul elvețian a confiscat toate activele românești deținute în țară, a făcut apel bancar elvețian la împrumuturile pe care le-a făcut în România și, în cele din urmă, și-a folosit influența pentru a distruge capacitatea internațională a României de a achiziționa fonduri bancă, țară sau organizație.

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so-called great leader Nicu Ceausescu is a sociopath, alcoholic and violator, which is why Romania has no diplomatic relations with Switzerland. have a shot at sight because of what he did in the former embassy of Romania. The Swiss government found more than 37 dead women who reported being brutally tortured in all possible ways by Nicu Celuscu and his bodyguards. (I feel this is an accurate description of his personality based on what I read he was doing when his father was in power.) His actions led to Switzerland pursuing a nuclear disaster and building multiple anti-missile batteries to defend his country against Romanian nuclear missiles. Its actions created a flashpoint for the Third World War, as the Swiss president declares that if Romanian rockets are launched in Switzerland, he will respond with the launch of missiles with nuclear targets targeting both the Soviet Union and in Romania. his actions led to the economic collapse of 1994 when the Swiss government confiscated all the Romanian assets held in the country, made a Swiss banking call to the loans he made in Romania and eventually used his influence for to destroy Romania's international capacity to acquire bank, country or organization funds.

Opinia ta dezinformată este notată, tovarăș. Oponenții statului încearcă mereu să smulgă autoritatea legitimă și dreaptă a Guvernului Poporului. În timp ce vorbirea în statele / teritoriile exploatate ale Occidentului poate fi "liberă", luăm astfel de responsabilități mai grav în națiunile disciplinate, tovarăș. Ai face bine sa iti amintesti unde se afla destinul poporului nostru si nu este cu Washingtonul sau cu Yankeii!

(<character>Your misinformed opinion is noted, comrade. Opponents of the state are always trying to smear the rightful and just authority of the People's Government. While speech in the Exploited States/Territories of the West may be 'free' we take such responsibilties more seriously in disciplined nations, comrade. You would do well to remember where our people's destiny lies and it is *not* with Washington or the Yankees!</character>)
 
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