DBWI: Dukakis loses in 1988

Should not be all that hard to make something like this happen after all.

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Dukakis only won 287 electoral votes, compared to Bush's 251. If Bush won Michigan and their votes, he would have won.

As we all know, Dukakis's victory caused massive protests among both sides of the spectrum. Not only was this the third election in 28 years in which the republican won more states than the democrat but still losing, with Bush carrying 27 states, but Bush won the popular vote by 5 million votes, getting 52.2 percent of the vote. Dukakis used the controversial strategy of winning states by dangerously close margins and winning the election that way masterfully. Such as Louisiana, where he only won by 947 votes, but won all their electoral votes. It was no surprise that instant demand went to Bush to run in 1992, to win his "rightful victory" again. Or in Illinois, a state that was worth 24 electoral votes, and Dukakis got all 24, but only won the state by 16,000 votes

How do you think history would have been if Bush won in 1988 instead of Dukakis? Do you think that America would be any better or worse than it was with this possibility that got really close to happening went down?
 
Should not be all that hard to make something like this happen after all.

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Dukakis only won 287 electoral votes, compared to Bush's 251. If Bush won Michigan and their votes, he would have won.

As we all know, Dukakis's victory caused massive protests among both sides of the spectrum. Not only was this the third election in 28 years in which the republican won more states than the democrat but still losing, with Bush carrying 27 states, but Bush won the popular vote by 5 million votes, getting 52.2 percent of the vote. Dukakis used the controversial strategy of winning states by dangerously close margins and winning the election that way masterfully. Such as Louisiana, where he only won by 947 votes, but won all their electoral votes. It was no surprise that instant demand went to Bush to run in 1992, to win his "rightful victory" again. Or in Illinois, a state that was worth 24 electoral votes, and Dukakis got all 24, but only won the state by 16,000 votes

How do you think history would have been if Bush won in 1988 instead of Dukakis? Do you think that America would be any better or worse than it was with this possibility that got really close to happening went down?

It's unlikely that Bush would have intervened in the Persian Gulf as Dukakis did, since the Reagan/Bush administration was a huge supporter of Saddam Hussein.
 
It's unlikely that Bush would have intervened in the Persian Gulf as Dukakis did, since the Reagan/Bush administration was a huge supporter of Saddam Hussein.

Why is it that during Democrat adminstration US tangles into foreign wars, whether Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Bosnia etc. and it takes Republicans to get them out?
 
Why is it that during Democrat adminstration US tangles into foreign wars, whether Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Bosnia etc. and it takes Republicans to get them out?

Hold on, remember that the Iraq War happened under President McCain.
 

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Sure, but that only to save the Iraqi Regime installed by Dukakis from defeat by ISIS. After all, Dole got US troops out from Iraq.
The Massoud Barzani Regime is quite unpopular with everyone but the Kurds, as Dukakis basically turn Iraq into Kurdistan. Not independent Kurdistan, but just handing all Arabs to be ruled by The Kurds.

Yes, Saddam attacked Kuwait over the slant drilling the later has done, but then, independent investigation by Russia-China-France did found the undeniable proof of Kuwait slant drilling into Iraqi oil reservoir.

Its kind of vindicating Saddam in the end, and this alone made France threaten to withdraw from NATO while Russia and China outright backing up the Serbian aggression. Bush's attempt to save Bosnia end up prematurely aborted.
 
I think Bush severely overperformed as it stands and while I'm not implying the former VP was involved, the ballot stuffing scandal in parts of Ohio, New Jersey, and Florida can't be ignored. Republican operatives voted in at least the hundreds using the names of the recently deceased, which was revealed to the public not long after Dukakis was sworn in and casts some doubt on the validity of Bush's popular vote win. It'd sure be hard to fake a 3% win, but I don't know, maybe the win would be narrower. All three of those states were only won by a few thousand votes as it is, with NJ almost certainly having been flipped by the ballot stuffing.

I think Bush would have pardoned the Iran-Contra felons and maybe even the ballot stuffers from his own win, but I'm pretty sure they were charged with state crimes.

Overall, I think H. W. Bush was the biggest crook since Nixon and I don't think his son J. E. Bush was much better. His presidency was really involved in the coup against Gaddafi in 1997 that ended in a civil war that killed hundreds of thousands. The leaks about that coming out were a pretty dark moment in history for me.
 
Plus it would have been very likely if not a certainty that Carter would not have broken Gerald Ford's longest lived president in March 2018, since if bush won in 88 he would have been four years younger and more chipper and everything
 
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OOC: So Dukakis is President from 1989-1993, Bush Sr from 1993-2001. Dole, Jeb, and McCain all become President at some point. Dole probably gets elected in 2000, and a Democrat is likely to replace him in 2004. Where do we go from here?
 
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OOC: Well he wouldn't be Bush 41 then, would, he?

OOC: Bush 42 as a matter of fact. Although since George W. Bush doesn't become president in this ATL, I think most would refer to the Bushes as simply George Bush and Jeb Bush respectively.
 
OOC: Bush 42 as a matter of fact. Although since George W. Bush doesn't become president in this ATL, I think most would refer to the Bushes as simply George Bush and Jeb Bush respectively.

OOC (is that how you do it): I would say the list is

Michael Dukakis: 1989-1993
George Bush: 1992-2001, beats Dukakis
Bob Dole: 2001-2005. Does not seek a second term due to being elected at 77 and leaving at 81
John Kerry: 2005-2009, beats vice president George W Bush
John McCain: 2009-2017
Jeb Bush: 2017-present, beats incumbent Illinois senator Barack Obama in the first election since 1988 to be decided by less than 300 electoral votes

Presidential life times

Gerald Ford: 1913-2006
Jimmy Carter: 1924-present
Ronald Reagan: 1911-2001 (with his health problems, it's not that asb to imagine him dying earlier than real life)
Michael Dukakis: 1933-present
George Bush: 1924-2015
Bob Dole: 1923-2007, becoming the first president since Calvin Coolidge to not have at least one full term retirement
John Kerry: 1943-present
John McCain: 1936-2017, having the second shortest post presidency, dying in June 2017
Jeb Bush: 1953-present, being the first president born after world war 2

Can we agree with this post?
 
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