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ASUKIRIK

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though that stuff about the Bharat rebellion has also led to pretty much Bharat having been voted out of the Non-Aligned Pact by each one of the founders when the "Indian Civil Cold War" pretty much started. It's why any non-British aligned Sikh headed to either China or to the US at that point. I have no idea who could replace Bharat in the NAP, though Iran had long been considered a solid and steady choice once they got out of the British clutches. Minus the while thing of annexing Aghanistan and taking a bit of Central Asia during Second World War, they've been doing pretty solid. Their growing influence in Central Asia is also helping there.

Yeah, the Joke here are white British soldiers are only common in Canada and Australia. Everywhere else in British Empire, British Army soldiers are basically either Sikh, Indian Muslims, or Burmese, even in the European bases the British soldiers are mostly Indian descent. Something that Germans are love to point upon and laugh at, or maybe not as those Muslims are ironically the fiercest and most loyal soldiers, widely respected worldwide.

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Yeah, the Joke here are white British soldiers are only common in Canada and Australia. Everywhere else in British Empire, British Army soldiers are basically either Sikh, Indian Muslims, or Burmese, even in the European bases the British soldiers are mostly Indian descent. Something that Germans are love to point upon and laugh at, or maybe not as those Muslims are ironically the fiercest and most loyal soldiers, widely respected worldwide.

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Though the Germans are also fond of their Afro-German soldiers, especially their Kongoese ones. So while they do like to tease the irony, they still retain the respect.

I'm just glad alot of the soldiers don't blame the US or the rest of the NAP for what Bharat did.

Though behind the British and Germans, the French also have their fair-share of loyal foreignborn soldiers, especially once they got their act together.
 

ASUKIRIK

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I'm just glad alot of the soldiers don't blame the US or the rest of the NAP for what Bharat did.

Though behind the British and Germans, the French also have their fair-share of loyal foreignborn soldiers, especially once they got their act together.
US attempts at festering anti colonialist ferevor worldwide (to undermine Europeans, Ottoman, and Japan), basically come into screeching halt after Bharat genocide against their own muslim and sikh population even while they are still fighting British India (remnants). While the initial reasons being Muslims and Sikh are the already go-to-Colonial troops for British India, the religious tension exploded in newly indpendent Hindu dominant Bharat made most, if not practically all Muslim and Sikh population to realize that British rule is ultimately better than facing Gandhi's Regime of Terror.

At least something good is coming out for this, British South Africa end up giving more efforts into educating their Black population and raising their quality of life. Racial and religious discrimination and or segregation formally banned in the British Empire.Empire. does that first, but British is second and actually end up better in assimilating their racially diverse subjects as citizens of equal rights.

The former Prime Minister of British Empire, is notable for the diversity, South African Black Nelson Mandela, Muslim Indian Beazier Bhutto and Canadian Justin Trudeau is some of the most famous (although PM Than Shwe is regarded as embarrassment by Burmese communities in the Empire) .
 
US attempts at festering anti colonialist ferevor worldwide (to undermine Europeans, Ottoman, and Japan), basically come into screeching halt after Bharat genocide against their own muslim and sikh population even while they are still fighting British India (remnants). While the initial reasons being Muslims and Sikh are the already go-to-Colonial troops for British India, the religious tension exploded in newly indpendent Hindu dominant Bharat made most, if not practically all Muslim and Sikh population to realize that British rule is ultimately better than facing Gandhi's Regime of Terror.

At least something good is coming out for this, British South Africa end up giving more efforts into educating their Black population and raising their quality of life. Racial and religious discrimination and or segregation formally banned in the British Empire.Empire. does that first, but British is second and actually end up better in assimilating their racially diverse subjects as citizens of equal rights.

The former Prime Minister of British Empire, is notable for the diversity, South African Black Nelson Mandela, Muslim Indian Beazier Bhutto and Canadian Justin Trudeau is some of the most famous (although PM Than Shwe is regarded as embarrassment by Burmese communities in the Empire) .

Yeah though even British India still respects Mahatma Gandhi. Though, no one expected for one of his kids to essentially backstab him and take Indian independence to the radical violent direction.

Though the Americans beat Europe to that first in regards to banning discrimination and segregation.

I'm just happy we did not get a third World War or such
 

ASUKIRIK

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Yeah though even British India still respects Mahatma Gandhi. Though, no one expected for one of his kids to essentially backstab him and take Indian independence to the radical violent direction.

Though the Americans beat Europe to that first in regards to banning discrimination and segregation.

I'm just happy we did not get a third World War or such
umm Americans still have that discrimination rules against Blacks in Southern states up until 1980's. basically US Northern and Western states already done that in 1930's , but not all of US does and where it lingers it lingers long.

Shame about Devadatta Gandhi and his actions though. He was suspected in the death of his father but now in Gandhi dynasty ruled Bharat, it was buried under rumours and Mahatma died due to Muslim assassination is the official stance. The assassination of Muhammad Ali Jinnah by Hindu extremist afterwards though, are the one who sealed the ironic survival of British India (remnants).
 
There would be a chance that we could live the last century without obnoxious German triumphalism? Not exactly a hardship for the rest of the world.

German triumphalism didn't really get rolling until after the second world war.

It is obnoxious but they did help save europe from the crazed revanchist death cult that russia became after the reformists were killed in the night of long knives and the corisponding rise of the black shirts. So it is annoying that the germans brag a lot but they do have some thing to legit brag about so I judge them less harshly for it.
 

ASUKIRIK

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German triumphalism didn't really get rolling until after the second world war.

It is obnoxious but they did help save europe from the crazed revanchist death cult that russia became after the reformists were killed in the night of long knives and the corisponding rise of the black shirts. So it is annoying that the germans brag a lot but they do have some thing to legit brag about so I judge them less harshly for it.
yes it was still legitimately justified bragging, but still annoying.

but all that said, current (post 1980's) juvenile mocking and pissing contest between Empires is far more preferred than early 20th to 1970's wars (and recent Twitter war between Prime Ministers; German Drumpf vs British Zuma is damn funny for the rest of the world)

The only superpowers that is too serious for their own good now is USA.
 
umm Americans still have that discrimination rules against Blacks in Southern states up until 1980's. basically US Northern and Western states already done that in 1930's , but not all of US does and where it lingers it lingers long.

Shame about Devadatta Gandhi and his actions though. He was suspected in the death his father but now in Gandhi dynasty ruled Bharat, it was buried under rumours and Mahatma died due to Muslim assassination is the official stance. The assassination of Muhammad Ali Jinnah by Hindu extremist afterwards though, are the one who sealed the ironic survival of British India (remnants).

(Sorry, but given the scenario I just HAVE to say this)

I still can't believe London, Istanbul, Berlin, and Nanjing, and Washington just stood by and watched while that mad monarchy settle in though. They had DECADES where it would have been so easily to step in, dispose Hindu Radicals, and restore some level of stability and civility to that troubled region (Not to mention the global financial benefits the end to the constant terrorist activity and civil striff allowing for the subcontinent's huge labor pool to get educated and connected into the global economy), but instead they twiddled their thumbs until Devadatta's children went and backed their words with nuclear weapons. Now nobody wants to touch that ceasepool and we have to deal with the constant stream of crazy coming out of that country.
 
Showed this thread to a friend. He made som interesting remarks on the British/French rapprochement & argued that trajectory would have led soon to a "Entente" (his word) of France & Russia with British support. This idea has always seemed odd to be, but he made some interesting points about the Brit politicians most likely to rule for the next decade being focused on the sort of economic and military threats Germany represented to Britian. His remarks about the German naval program were enlightening. A second interesting point is that British efforts to counter Russia in the Balkans were based on some core and consistent misunderstandings of Balkan politics. The Brits were in danger of being sucked into a position directly contrary to the Austrian Hungarian interests or position. All that is speculative of course, but his arguments over the table were better than most I've see on the net. Anyway his take was that had peace lasted to 1910 then a Nuetral Britain was the more likely outcome. As the decade progressed Britian was increasingly likely to join France against Germany.

German triumphalism didn't really get rolling until after the second world war. ...

..and with less justification. Back the latter half of my career we had a German exchange officer on our staff for six months. He'd previously sat in at the Amphibious Warfare School. He seemed to think that simply being selected for the German General Staff Academy made his ill considered opinions superior to any possible alternative. The concept of critical thinking & self analysis were entirely alien to him. In contrast to my peers & I he had never been in combat, a situation near all his peers were in. Yet he constantly referred to the wars with the Russians & Balkan states as if they were his experience, despite that those were over before he let go of his Mamas trousers. I was unimpressed with his training and staff or leadership skills. He was supposed to be one of their best but was clearly not up to the standards for mid level officers in any other military I'd trained with. Some of us made jokes about his being sent here so his peers would be rid of him. However a Lt Col who had spent a year in exchange in the German army reassured us the was actually one of the better ones. of a crowd who's main talent seemed to be strutting around in overdone uniforms exclaiming on "what we learned beating the Russians" & other accomplishments sixty or seventy years earlier. Their other skill set appeared to be blaming Socialists & Greens in the conscript ranks for every lapse and failure in their unit. He tried to ingratiate himself with myself & several others with German originated surnames. I stuffed that by pointing out my Great grandfather & his fellow Swabians had been progressive or socialist in their politics and left Germany to get away from the imperialist elitists who had taken over the place.

Back when my grandfather was alive we met a fair number of German businessmen he had contact with. I don't remember many if any of them having the same unjustified arrogance that officer had.
 
yes it was still legitimately justified bragging, but still annoying.

but all that said, current (post 1980's) juvenile mocking and pissing contest between Empires is far more preferred than early 20th to 1970's wars (and recent Twitter war between Prime Ministers; German Drumpf vs British Zuma is damn funny for the rest of the world)

The only superpowers that is too serious for their own good now is USA.

Yeah, though given how they feel guilty over how Bharat is collasping into itself as well as the fact that most of the Deep South (barring Georgia, which has become the site of the South's regional brain drain) has to still be pulled into the modern world kicking and screaming, it's understandable why their current portrayal is of someone banging their head against the wall.

(Sorry, but given the scenario I just HAVE to say this)

I still can't believe London, Istanbul, Berlin, and Nanjing, and Washington just stood by and watched while that mad monarchy settle in though. They had DECADES where it would have been so easily to step in, dispose Hindu Radicals, and restore some level of stability and civility to that troubled region (Not to mention the global financial benefits the end to the constant terrorist activity and civil striff allowing for the subcontinent's huge labor pool to get educated and connected into the global economy), but instead they twiddled their thumbs until Devadatta's children went and backed their words with nuclear weapons. Now nobody wants to touch that ceasepool and we have to deal with the constant stream of crazy coming out of that country.

Well, Europe was too busy trying to fix itself so really it goes down to Washington, Nanjing and Istanbul. Part of it I think was the NAP agreement to try and not butt into each other's territories though also part of it was while they had decades, the actual drop to bedlam was actually surprisingly short.

Though there is a silver lining in that Bharat will most likely break up into different sub-section states given the rapdi economic decline and rise in rebellious and insurgeny groups. I figure after that China and the US would probably influence whatever post-Bharatian states come out.

Another mroe unorthodox explanation is that it served as a counter to non-internventionalism. Alot of the moderate Hindi and such that were wanting to be left alone now had to publically ask for help and such. "Be careful what you wish for" is taken from this. If nothing else, Bharat can finally be laid to rest. From what I gather, Dravidistan would be the strongest power coming from post-Bharat.
 

ASUKIRIK

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(Sorry, but given the scenario I just HAVE to say this)

I still can't believe London, Istanbul, Berlin, and Nanjing, and Washington just stood by and watched while that mad monarchy settle in though. They had DECADES where it would have been so easily to step in, dispose Hindu Radicals, and restore some level of stability and civility to that troubled region (Not to mention the global financial benefits the end to the constant terrorist activity and civil striff allowing for the subcontinent's huge labor pool to get educated and connected into the global economy), but instead they twiddled their thumbs until Devadatta's children went and backed their words with nuclear weapons. Now nobody wants to touch that ceasepool and we have to deal with the constant stream of crazy coming out of that country.

And London doing anything that is beyond rescuing opressed muslims (according to London and whoever allied with them atm) / doing border raids (according to Gandhipura(Delhi)) would be BROKE THE ALARM at Nanjing and Jakarta, and may even cause St Petersburg to made peace with Astana and march to India subcontinent to rescue the poor Hindus from British invasion.

Of course Nanjing march to war will cause Tokyo to support British "humanitarian mission" and restarting the great East Asian War. Remember that while Chinese army has the crushing numerical superiority, Japanese practically control the Pacific sea, Korea, and Siberia with their superrior air force and navy.

Any war between China and Japan would cause Americans to get in panic mode as they played the role of peaceful middleman in Asia, especially with Philippine States under range of both China and Japan bombers and missiles. No matter who they choose, there's risk of making 80 years of infrastructure building and turning filipinos into proper patriotic US Citizens going down under flames. And if they didn't choose, there's still significant chances that either or even both of East Asian powers still cause extreme disruption or even outright attacking Philiphines.

Not only that, Jakarta will definitely invade the lone British outposts at Singapore and New Guinea under the pretext of finally unite Nusantara proper. It's already bad enough when Malays rebelled and joined Nusantara, when British still beaten black and blue over Bharat Independence Wars, but now it would be an utter bloodbath after decades of Nationalistic inflammation. And absolutely nonzero chance for Jakarta to also decided to attack Philiphines as well if US did not support Bharat at this war.

If US end up not supporting Bharat by either directly stand with Tokyo or not supporting Nanjing... the Bolivar Pact of South American states may also try once again to "Liberate" Panama and American Guyana (shouldn't bought them from peniless French back in 1910's), and this would bring the Chaos at US doorstep.

But if US support Bharat too directly, lets say that British Canada's largest collection of Nuclear missile Silo suddenly become a very real threat...

And this is only in the end... give immense Profit to Germans as they are the ONLY superpower that didn't get invested in alliance that could drag them with Bharat side or directly against them. Sure, Ottomans would be giddy and sending their own army to help British crush the Bharat Abomination* but Germans would be perfectly willing to just sell weapons and commodities to anyone who will pay them. Profit in the short run that is, because Second World War like this will end up with Earth in ruin... and that's not counting nonzero risk that Russians made peace with each others and want round four with Berlin, bringing war directly to Europe again. And if Germany wins again, well sure to heart Deutchland Uber Alles to be sang everywhere there are beers.

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There already was a Second World War back in the 30s and I doubt Nusantara would want to try anything given how the Chinese were pretty good at showing them what a nuthouse Bharat. I don't think China nor the US would get involved in Bharat anymore than they have to.

Why would the US stand with Japan after enjoying nearly a century of a prosperous relationship with China or the fact it was China, US, Ethiopia and Otomans who voted their fellow founding member of the Non-Aligned Pact out?

The Bolivar Pact is not in any condition to do things since their economic depression caused by voting in nationalists 20 years ago and they ony managed to recover.
 

ASUKIRIK

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but yeah, the "second world war", is only named as that in German and British books. US and others calls them Russians Revenge War.

And do not underestimate the extremely tangled network of alliances and mutual interests of Great and Middle powers to end up in wacky illogical war again. Lets Lets remember that before 1904, the cobweb alliances and tensions are as unpredictable as today. Nobody before 1904 will think British to go at war allied with Germans for gods sake!

Bharat is better left alone as international Pariah state. End of the line. They are hated but also noted as some sort of buffer between various superpowers. And let's say that Anti Colonilist rethorics still run strong in those that aren't British and German subjects.
 
but yeah, the "second world war", is only named as that in German and British books. US and others calls them Russians Revenge War.

And do not underestimate the extremely tangled network of alliances and mutual interests of Great and Middle powers to end up in wacky illogical war again. Lets Lets remember that before 1904, the cobweb alliances and tensions are as unpredictable as today. Nobody before 1904 will think British to go at war allied with Germans for gods sake!

Bharat is better left alone as international Pariah state. End of the line. They are hated but also noted as some sort of buffer between various superpowers. And let's say that Anti Colonilist rethorics still run strong in those that aren't British and German subjects.

Yeah, though the thing it will not remain a state for much longer. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure MAD and the fact that people have gotten tired of war is why we haven't ahd war break out in over 70 years.

And yeah, I figure the anti-colonialist rhetoric still exist, but notice even its most vocal supporters tend to clam up when Bharat is pointed to as an example of how it could go.

Anyways, I am wodnering if the US would join a later World War I, especially with the mention of an Entente. So from what I got from that mention, it would be Russia, Britain and France vs Germany, Austria-Hungary and possibly the Ottomans.
 
Yeah, though the thing it will not remain a state for much longer. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure MAD and the fact that people have gotten tired of war is why we haven't ahd war break out in over 70 years.

And yeah, I figure the anti-colonialist rhetoric still exist, but notice even its most vocal supporters tend to clam up when Bharat is pointed to as an example of how it could go.

Anyways, I am wodnering if the US would join a later World War I, especially with the mention of an Entente. So from what I got from that mention, it would be Russia, Britain and France vs Germany, Austria-Hungary and possibly the Ottomans.

I don't think thats our style, we prefer to fund insurgents and let them do our fighting for us, or manipulating markets, or using expensive loans, america prepers to use economic power over milatary power when possible.
 
I don't think thats our style, we prefer to fund insurgents and let them do our fighting for us, or manipulating markets, or using expensive loans, america prepers to use economic power over milatary power when possible.

True, but I meant in the 1910s. I mean, even if America was neutral in the World War, I figure they'd be mroe lenient to the British over the Germans.
 

ASUKIRIK

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True, but I meant in the 1910s. I mean, even if America was neutral in the World War, I figure they'd be mroe lenient to the British over the Germans.
anyway outside being obnoxious braggarts, the Germans at least never done anything morally wrong. Compared that to French and Russian Revanchists, or even British's own nasty supressions of colonial rebellions when it happened back in 1930-1970's, Germans are downright saints in this regards.

And yeah, better communication, human rights, and economic prosperity, it was quite hard for US to go around igniting anti colonialist rebellion inside proper British and German colonies nowadays. With the fact that those people are also British/German citizens with equal rights and duties with their motherland counterparts, the fact that their quality of life in all terms are far better than their "independent" counterparts (which often led by corrupt or downright nasty native tyrants), Overall Imperialism is a success stories now.

It was quite ridiculous that the largest "Rebels" in Bharat actually explicitly aim to be British subjects once more... while it does say something about Gandhi dynasty's opression, the very fact that even non English descent could end up being anything bar Royalties in British Empire (as long as they are competent) are something that will put a dampen on rebellion. And even, being married into Royalties are possible now, as long as you're having valid noble lineage claim (and conversion to Royal church, at least in paper), with Prince Henry being married to Princess Asharisii of Zulu.
 
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