DBWI: Did you see the Victory Celebrations?

Did anybody here catch the Victory Day Celebrations in Berlin this year? Thanks to satellite TV we were able to see it here in Canada, and it was awesome! Hell, every year the Germans put on a good show, but it was cool to see the Army and SS decked out in parade uniform and with all their top military stuff. I heard that the US Secretary of State was supposed to be in attendance with the representatives of the European Union - can anyone verify that?

Makes one wonder what might have happened if the Germans hadn't played their cards right on the Eastern front mid 42- 43...
 

DISSIDENT

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I watched. Their economy is getting progressively worse. They dismantled the economy of every occupied nation in the late 40s and into the middle of the 1950s and it kept the economic stability for a while. Krupp and IG Farben and all the other German cartels never really put the investment back in and the EU is just a friendly euphemism for Nazi stranglehold with "commissioners" instead of gauleiters. The economy of the Third Reich started to steadily decline in the 1960s after there was no more plunder left to be had from France, The Netherlands, Belgium etc. and the Ostland a war zone of Soviet partisans armed from Novosibirsk bombing railways and conducting night raids on German settlements and killing all the Germans.

The new generation of NSDAP leaders is basically the spoiled and ignorant children of the last of the old Partei, raised to believe that Adolf Hitler was a god, the moon is made of ice and that as Germans, they have superior abilities they do not actually possess and are mortal, fallible human beings like anyone else. Stolen life savings taken from the murdered Jews of Europe paid their tuition and pays for them to buy their way to the top of their sick corrupt totalitarian empire on the names of their deceased butcher parents.

I turned the TV off when it came on. A few channels up, they were showing news about some disaster at a Mitsubishi factory complex in Manchukuo.
 
Did anybody here catch the Victory Day Celebrations in Berlin this year? Thanks to satellite TV we were able to see it here in Canada, and it was awesome! Hell, every year the Germans put on a good show, but it was cool to see the Army and SS decked out in parade uniform and with all their top military stuff. I heard that the US Secretary of State was supposed to be in attendance with the representatives of the European Union - can anyone verify that?

Makes one wonder what might have happened if the Germans hadn't played their cards right on the Eastern front mid 42- 43...


I can see it now... Fuehrer Angela Merkel, first female leader of the Greater German Reich, standing on a pedestal in the Grosser Platz in Berlin with other Nazi bigwigs and military officers. As the first bars of Deutschland Uber Alles were being played by the military band, Merkel raises her right hand in salute. She is followed by some of the Nazi Party members standing with her...

Something like the fancy Victory Day parades in Moscow really. Just need to Germanise a few bits here and there... :D
 
Down with the Reich!

*sigh* When is bitter Albion going to get over itself? The Empire lost the war - get over it. Seriously, it's been sixty - some years since WWII ended. Britain got a far better peace deal than France or Russia, that's for sure; you guys would be a lot more prosperous if you didn't continually slap the friendly hand of the Reich away.
 

The Sandman

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It wasn't so much "the Germans playing their cards right" as it was the Ukrainians, Balts, Byelorussians, Poles and Finns realizing that for all the understandable issues they had with certain of the Second Reich's policies, Brest-Litovsk was still the best thing that had ever happened to them.

The way the Reds behaved in Helsinki, Tallinn, Riga, Kharkov, Kiev, Odessa, Minsk, Grodno, Warsaw, Lodz...

And I had a few grandparents who still remembered the Siege of Konigsberg, and the fighting in and around Berlin during the winter of '41. Plus an entire Silesian branch of the family that just wasn't there anymore after the Russians evacuated it in September '42. So frankly, I'm not surprised that the Russians finally managed to do what the French, the Spanish and the Italians never could and shatter the iron discipline of the Reichswehr with regard to enemy civilians.

My heart bleeds for St. Petersberg, it really does, but frankly they should consider themselves lucky to just have been thoroughly stripped of valuables after the garrison surrendered. They could have tried to fight, and suffered Moscow's fate instead. Or alternatively Chongquing's.

EDIT: Wait, you're talking about the Third Reich? The Nazis? I thought we were here to discuss the real-world V-Day parade, not the one at the end of the most recent season of "Tales from Another History"? Granted, it's actually frighteningly plausible if you think about what might have happened if the Reich hadn't held on in 1918, although I do find it unlikely that some Austrian corporal and former house painter could manage to organize the Nazis into a coherent political force when even Ludendorff couldn't in OTL.
 
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How did you guys put up with Winston Churchill living up there in exile for all those years, ranting about his lost Empire?

The V-rockets on display were cool, even though they helped Germany get to the Moon first...

Also, I know a lot of Germans complain about their economy nowadays, but personally I think they were a lot better off when Klaus Barbie kicked the bucket back in '91 and Kurt Waldheim took over.
 
I am WAY too busy to debate all the children of all those communists and socialists who fled to Sweden from prett much everywhere when those damn Germans won to watch any TV. Besides, TV is a nazi propaganda tool anyway.

Can you believe the communists are polling at more than 20% again here, now that the economic crisis has hit Germany? And now the enviromentalists seem to get 10% or so. I guess the images of the dead Ruhr and Silesia regions benefits them. The Germans were never good at natural conservation, and that coal and steel industry pollutes like mad. Soon it will be impossible to live in the two greatest industrial centers of Germany, and their economy will finally collapse.

Serves them well, bastards! Maybe then our government will stop rolling over as soon as a German dignirary even looks north. Maybe I should vote communist too, at least they want to confront those warmongering bastards on the continent.
 
How did you guys put up with Winston Churchill living up there in exile for all those years, ranting about his lost Empire?

Most people breathed a collective sigh of relief once Churchill finally died; in fact, Mackenzie King didn't even want him to come to Canada in '44, but was pressured by Washington to let him into the country. It's really quite amazing how many people in the US are still against the Third Reich, even when the gov't is trying to get some trade agreements going. You know, I think we often overlook how grateful we should be to Germany for dealing with the Soviets. Who knows what the late 20th century would be like if the Russian Bear was still around?
 
Well, the United states of America, United Federation of India, the Indochinese Union and the Republic of China are much stronger than the crumbling reich. Hell, Brazil has had more moon trips than Germany.

According to the Latest CIA report, Nazi Germany's GDP stagnated, with the United States, China and India having a 9, 5, and 2 percent respective lead against the Third Reich.
 
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