DBWI/DBRP: WI the Worker's Communist Party hadn't declared the UASR?

The Second American revolution as actually a fairly confused time. It started out with Reds fighting to restore the structure of the USA after the White Junta had violated several different parts of the 1787 Constitution in order to keep the Communists from taking over via the Ballot Box.

It was only decided near the end of the fight that the Second Civil War would be a Second Revolution, instead of simply a restoration of the old USA.

Even then, the Basic Law that changed the name was composed by a convention called by WCP controlled State Legislatures and passed as an amendment to the 1787 Constitution.

So what if America had kept calling itself the USA instead of switching to UASR?

Note: To those of you who say "state" would not have been kept under marxist doctrine for the Republics/Commonwealths, it was not inevitable. In his writings on the First American Civil War, Karl Marx consistently called the states "states", so there's enough precedent for not changing the nomenclature.


OOC: This takes place in Jello Biafra's Reds: A Revolutionary Timeline
 
The Second American revolution as actually a fairly confused time. It started out with Reds fighting to restore the structure of the USA after the White Junta had violated several different parts of the 1787 Constitution in order to keep the Communists from taking over via the Ballot Box.

It was only decided near the end of the fight that the Second Civil War would be a Second Revolution, instead of simply a restoration of the old USA.

Even then, the Basic Law that changed the name was composed by a convention called by WCP controlled State Legislatures and passed as an amendment to the 1787 Constitution.

So what if America had kept calling itself the USA instead of switching to UASR?

Note: To those of you who say "state" would not have been kept under marxist doctrine for the Republics/Commonwealths, it was not inevitable. In his writings on the First American Civil War, Karl Marx consistently called the states "states", so there's enough precedent for not changing the nomenclature.


OOC: This takes place in Jello Biafra's Reds: A Revolutionary Timeline


It might turn out for the best. Less radical change would most likely mean less post-civil war violence, and hopefully no Red Terror. Maybe some of the captured "White" government and military leaders will actually get fair trials. The US will probably end up with a European or South American style social democracy rather than a collectivist "guided democracy".

As to US foreign relations, we won't see the idiots sucking up to monsters like Stalin, Beria, Molotov and Zhukov. Keeping the Nazis from winning, yes. Backing monsters that made Hitler look nice, not with moderates running the US. Canada and the rest of the Anglo-French Union would not be armed camps. No "Silent Struggle" likely means that the Union's vibrant free market economy is mostly freed of the burden of military necessity.

Russia may well democratize sooner, likely in the 1970s or 1980s under an Andropov analogue, rather than in the 2000s under Medvedeva. Maybe the USSR/Russian Federal Republic won't go to the brink of civil war first.

Oh, and the Nazis are toast in any TL imaginable. Even a capitalist quasi-fascist US cannot tolerate their presence for long. But if the US is a more reasonable place with competent leadership both civil and military, then the Nazis lose faster. The Second Great War ends sometime in 1944, long before anyone's nuclear programs bear fruit.
 
Ah, I'm sorry I was unclear. I'm asking what difference a name makes. If America claims that "no problems here, just passed some amendments after the military tried to stage a coup, still the US of A", what happens?

Other than post-1933 Cuba not getting the America color on the UCS.
 
Ah, I'm sorry I was unclear. I'm asking what difference a name makes. If America claims that "no problems here, just passed some amendments after the military tried to stage a coup, still the US of A", what happens?

Other than post-1933 Cuba not getting the America color on the UCS.

Well, if the US goes Red, but doesn't change it's name, not much changes.

The British still get the bomb six weeks before the Alt-Yah Sirs*, the Nazis still go down in a storm of fire, Stalin's and Beria's crimes are still exposed to the world, and so on.

After all, the "Government in Exile" in Havana was viewed as being the legitimate US government by the Union until roughly 1944 or so, and is still recognized as the lawful government of Cuba (Cuba simply absorbed its conquerors) even today. Maybe the exiled "Patriots" (as the call(ed) themselves, only communists really bother to refer to them as "Whites") don't rename Cuba, and thus their descendants don't end up going through the trouble to change it back in 1987.

The US certainly still loses Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and the Panama Canal. They may or may not devour Haiti and the Dominican Republic, preferring perhaps to puppetize them instead. US-backed terrorists and agitators make Canada an "interesting" place for most of the next thirty years. The "*Detente" of the 1960s still leaves those groups high and dry as the US shifts from aggression to (apathetic, they more or less gave up) diplomacy in their attempts at pushing Canada out of the Union.

The "Cuba" colour on the USC here is probably going to have to be a US "Patriot" dark blue, not the old US aqua colour...


OOC *"Yah Sir" would be a good way to get in a dig at the US communists. Took me less than two minutes to come up with a corruption of UASR. UA: Yah, SR: Sir. Something like that would probably annoy a communist to no end...
 
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