DBWI: CSA: Economically worse since end of slavery?
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It has been going downhill since the end of the ACW ending slavery only slowed the decline. So yes, it is worse off but less bad off than if it didn't end slavery. The fact that it replaced chattle slavery with peonage instead of genuine freedom also has a lot to do with it.
John Fredrick Parker
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Well not the first time around anyway -- I've heard arguments that peonage was a "necessary transition phase", though I take it with a grain of salt, at best. Later reforms have done a lot of good in this regard, and there's plenty of reason for hope.
What you're seeing with post-emancipation CSA overall is largely unaffected GDP growth rate (slightly curbed with the first "emancipation", slightly accelerated since the more recent anti-peonage laws), combined with greater economic equality at each step (much more so with the recent reforms). The result is that if you're white, you're probably worse off (or, more likely, no better off) economically than a few decades ago, but if you're colored, than the recent history has been a time of great triumph and hope.
The USA nabbing what bits of the CSA that are worth a damn economically and resource-wise after our last war didn't help them much.
Two? I thought the CSA and the Republic of Texas had somewhat decent relations?
Well, better than the CSA with us up North that is.
Anyway, the fact that the CSA never really industrialized and is now being passed economically by the American powerhouses (sarcasm) of Cuba, Colombia and Peru-Bolivia. Its not so much slavery that was the issue, just the fact that it never really had potential to go anywhere.
Cuāuhtemōc
Banned
It was already a nation in decline since the 1950s plus with Texas and Virginia being occupied and re-annexed by the United States during the Great Americo-Confederate War of 1972, this decline has gone more rapidly.
But what's the point of independence when you've dropped the very thing you founded yourself upon?
Hopefully in the coming years we recognize the "Black Republics" and allow them readmittance into the Union.
Hopefully in the coming years we recognize the "Black Republics" and allow them readmittance into the Union.
John Fredrick Parker
Donor
Wait, what? Has there been literally any talk from the CSA by the black political leaders themselves indicating a desire for reunification? Or, more importantly, do you really think the US would support reunification as anything more than a self-gratifying concept, once the real economic costs of developing the would be new states become clear?
Face it: after 150 years apart, the Old South is simply too much of a foreign country.
Particularly the "Black Republics" where the CSA dumped a lot of its Black rioters and other rebels. They rounded up Blacks in the areas with the highest crime rates and dumped them there. Officially they are independent but they are as dependent on handouts from the CSA government as the late 19th and early 20th century Indian Reservations.
OOC: Since the Blacks just got out of peonage I assume they are about as well treated as Blacks were in the South during the 1950s.
John Fredrick Parker
Donor
It's a little complicated -- a lot of the CSA "states proper" are either essentially governed by the newly liberated coloreds, or are have fairly stable political alliances between the "black parties" and forward thinking "white" parties (that are actually interracial); these states are represented in the Congress along with some more holdout white supremacist states, who themselves have tried to contain the "nigger problem" by rounding up the more "uppity" of their citizens; the CSA feds, mostly controlled by moderates, said these places that were meant as internment camps have quasi-sovereignty "the same as the states" (but without representation in Richmond), and are getting aid passed out by the CSA, but collected primarily from the "exiling states".
So now you've got a situation the white supremacists are calling "extortion", the hardline black leaders (and many not so hardline) are calling "slow genocide", and the moderates admit can't last. Which really only enforces my original point that the US does not need to wade into this crap.
OOC: I guess it depends on what we mean by "just" -- also, depending on how they came about, the "reforms" could have seen a progress more accelerated than OTL
Kaptin Kurk
Banned
At least, during slavery, we didn't have an incident like that one involving Malu Bakir! It would have never have happend. That alone, justifies slavery in my opinion.What is the CSA coming to?!
Coming too? You need to get some perspective here, remember learning about the blowback from the invasion of Haiti? That tops any problems you have at this point by a lot. Atleast there isnt open guerilla warfare across half the country like there was back in the 1920s.
It's a miracle the CSA still exist in the first place seeing how failed state it is. So failed that none of your neighbors want you.