DBWI: Civil war in Germany!

OOC: In this world, Europe never industrializes and the Islamic world and East Asia are dominant. Instead, Europe is wracked by all sorts of nastiness like in the Middle East IOTL. Germany is in a sectarian, foreign-backed civil war like IOTL Syria. The following thread gives a good background:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=244076

IC: Well, it looks like post-Eisenist Germany is on the fast train to a horror movie. This week the UN (1) confirmed it's in fact the Freie Deutsche Armee which used poison gas against civilians in Leipzig, and not President Freisler's troops as the cynical politicians in the Caliphate keep claiming. I knew from the start these "pro-freedom rebels" were actually Caliphate-backed Calvinist terrorists who hope to exploit Germany to their own ends. And every day we hear more Spanish and French Catholics answering the Pope's cry by joining pro-Freisler militia active in Bavaria. To make this even more complicated, Norway continues pumping huge amounts of money into the Lutheran militia groups active in Pomerania (2). At least the Poles have been left alone for now (3). Looks like Europe's troubles just continue.

(1) something like the UN emerged ITTL
(2) Norway is an extremely oil-rich kingdom which obnoxiously flaunts its wealth like OTL Qatar
(3) Poland is divided like OTL Kurds, and Poles are taking advantage of Germany's war to regain their independence
 
OOC: In this world, Europe never industrializes and the Islamic world and East Asia are dominant. Instead, Europe is wracked by all sorts of nastiness like in the Middle East IOTL. Germany is in a sectarian, foreign-backed civil war like IOTL Syria. The following thread gives a good background:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=244076

IC: Well, it looks like post-Eisenist Germany is on the fast train to a horror movie. This week the UN (1) confirmed it's in fact the Freie Deutsche Armee which used poison gas against civilians in Leipzig, and not President Freisler's troops as the cynical politicians in the Caliphate keep claiming. I knew from the start these "pro-freedom rebels" were actually Caliphate-backed Calvinist terrorists who hope to exploit Germany to their own ends. And every day we hear more Spanish and French Catholics answering the Pope's cry by joining pro-Freisler militia active in Bavaria. To make this even more complicated, Norway continues pumping huge amounts of money into the Lutheran militia groups active in Pomerania (2). At least the Poles have been left alone for now (3). Looks like Europe's troubles just continue.

(1) something like the UN emerged ITTL
(2) Norway is an extremely oil-rich kingdom which obnoxiously flaunts its wealth like OTL Qatar
(3) Poland is divided like OTL Kurds, and Poles are taking advantage of Germany's war to regain their independence

Yeah. It's really sad what's been happening to Europe over the past couple hundred years.

Look at my home country of Canada as a contrast; We have the 2nd highest per capita income(second only to Japan), the 4th lowest infant mortality rate, best colleges, and some of the most diverse cuisine this side of the International Date Line, rivalled only by California, South Africa, Brazil, and Mexico(New England comes close, though).

The important thing is, we're a liberal democracy, with a long tradition of egalitarianism and respect for other people's cultures, as well as our "Open Door" policy.....most countries in Europe, outside Italy, Russia, and the U.K. have none of these(and even Russia has has major issues).

Also, we should keep in mind while that the FDA isn't exactly likable, Freisler's no good guy, either, and most of the anti-Freisler groups are genuinely trying to move the country forward.




OOC: I'd add the United States, too, but I don't know what kinda POD you had in mind.....
 
OOC: POD probably in the 15th century. We somewhat agreed that North America was colonized by Chinese and Japanese, and South America by Muslims. "Canada" probably refers to one of these North American nations.

IC: What tripe. Any claim the anti-Freisler groups are genuinely secular and progressive is utter propaganda. Europeans have been killing each other for centuries non-stop since Martin Luther nailed his ramblings on the Ulm Cathedral. Muslims shouldn't be wasting time, money, and lives. It's very shameful the Caliphate is beholden by a bunch of naive right-wing politicians who genuinely believe their own propaganda about the inherent superiority of Islam. This week we hear the Mukhabarat (1) planning to send weapons to the FDA, as if they weren't already supporting them. :rolleyes:

(1) Mukhabarat is the CIA of the Caliphate.
 
OOC: POD probably in the 15th century. We somewhat agreed that North America was colonized by Chinese and Japanese, and South America by Muslims. "Canada" probably refers to one of these North American nations.

IC: What tripe. Any claim the anti-Freisler groups are genuinely secular and progressive is utter propaganda. Europeans have been killing each other for centuries non-stop since Martin Luther nailed his ramblings on the Ulm Cathedral. Muslims shouldn't be wasting time, money, and lives. It's very shameful the Caliphate is beholden by a bunch of naive right-wing politicians who genuinely believe their own propaganda about the inherent superiority of Islam. This week we hear the Mukhabarat (1) planning to send weapons to the FDA, as if they weren't already supporting them. :rolleyes:

(1) Mukhabarat is the CIA of the Caliphate.

OOC: Okay then, my mistake then. :eek:
 
OOC: In this world, Europe never industrializes and the Islamic world and East Asia are dominant. Instead, Europe is wracked by all sorts of nastiness like in the Middle East IOTL. Germany is in a sectarian, foreign-backed civil war like IOTL Syria. The following thread gives a good background:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=244076

IC: Well, it looks like post-Eisenist Germany is on the fast train to a horror movie. This week the UN (1) confirmed it's in fact the Freie Deutsche Armee which used poison gas against civilians in Leipzig, and not President Freisler's troops as the cynical politicians in the Caliphate keep claiming. I knew from the start these "pro-freedom rebels" were actually Caliphate-backed Calvinist terrorists who hope to exploit Germany to their own ends. And every day we hear more Spanish and French Catholics answering the Pope's cry by joining pro-Freisler militia active in Bavaria. To make this even more complicated, Norway continues pumping huge amounts of money into the Lutheran militia groups active in Pomerania (2). At least the Poles have been left alone for now (3). Looks like Europe's troubles just continue.

(1) something like the UN emerged ITTL
(2) Norway is an extremely oil-rich kingdom which obnoxiously flaunts its wealth like OTL Qatar
(3) Poland is divided like OTL Kurds, and Poles are taking advantage of Germany's war to regain their independence


Europe has fallen far since the Glory days of Rome, and unfortunately I think Europe's troubles will continue until they cast of the shackles imposed on them by the despots who have ruled them for so many years.
 
OOC:Do you want us to try and see how this could be averted of just talk politics?
IC: The situation really seems hopeless. I think Friesler might retreat south and hold out against the Calvinists. It's a shame how the Caliphate's inaction saw the at-first peaceful protests degenerate into a sectarian civil war. People underestimate that Friesler has been proven of committing brutal atrocities against Calvinist civilians and in some places, it's an 'eye for an eye' situation. Friesler should leave so there can be peace. If only Attila had never stormed Rome and Constantinople, the world would be a better place.....
 
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