DBWI: Business plot fails

Sometimes I think it would have been better for all concerned if the business plotters had gone foreward with their original idiotic plan of approaching Smedley Butler, he'd never have agreed to it and blown the whole gaffe. Given how FDR Has been maligned by propaganda over the years there's some doubt as to whether he was truly a socialist.

Actually, he really would have. While living out his last days in Canada in the mid '40s Butler wrote his memoirs; one of the key parts of the book was describing his real views on the plotters, how the conspiracy was put into motion and how he planned to expose them. Sadly, though, they found out, and he had to flee to a now Liberal-run Ontario in 1935.

It is generally believed that tens of thousands of unauthorized copies of the books that made their way into indie bookstores over the years may have been one of the catalysts of the Revolution in the summer of '42, and of the Second Civil War in 1945 as well. It was also used to help convict the surviving oligarchs during the New York Trials in 1953.
 
One question I am curious about is whether the whole "Cristeros" movement, led by people by Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps and Billy Graham Jr. would have the same support of the capitalist oligarchs in the ATL? I know that the British media loves to claim that Fred Phelps is a "holy man" but I, like many Americans, see him only as a bully and a terorist....

I am fascinated how the rest of the world seems to think of him as some kind of "man of peace"....

Well what do you expect? This is the same media that keeps white washing President John Wayne and the segregationists' atrocities in California. I would highly recommend John Wayne Was A NAZI!! (1989) by film makers Ronald Reagan and David Dictor for a good insight into some of the lesser-known war crimes covered up by the MSM the last few decades...
 
Well what do you expect? This is the same media that keeps white washing President John Wayne and the segregationists' atrocities in California. I would highly recommend John Wayne Was A NAZI!! (1989) by film makers Ronald Reagan and David Dictor for a good insight into some of the lesser-known war crimes covered up by the MSM the last few decades...

John Wayne wasn't perfect but he's not the NAZI that David Dictor made him out to be.....some of his former associated, however, that may be a different story.

Other than that, the film did a very good job exposing the crimes of segregationist terrorists in California, something the MSM's been too afraid to talk about since the subway bombing in L.A. that killed a number of NBC's top executives back in '78.
 
Actually, he really would have. While living out his last days in Canada in the mid '40s Butler wrote his memoirs; one of the key parts of the book was describing his real views on the plotters, how the conspiracy was put into motion and how he planned to expose them. Sadly, though, they found out, and he had to flee to a now Liberal-run Ontario in 1935.

It is generally believed that tens of thousands of unauthorized copies of the books that made their way into indie bookstores over the years may have been one of the catalysts of the Revolution in the summer of '42, and of the Second Civil War in 1945 as well. It was also used to help convict the surviving oligarchs during the New York Trials in 1953.

There was no "original coup plot" involving Butler. What actually happened was that some elements of the banking cartel had planned a false flag involving Butler, to scare the public into supporting FDR (who at the time they assumed to be compliant). But then while they were planning it they realized overthrowing the government actually was a better option. Again, all of this was covered in exhaustive detail in Ronald Reagan's films particularly his work Capitalism: A Love Story (1991)...
 
John Wayne wasn't perfect but he's not the NAZI that David Dictor made him out to be.....some of his former associated, however, that may be a different story.

Other than that, the film did a very good job exposing the crimes of segregationist terrorists in California, something the MSM's been too afraid to talk about since the subway bombing in L.A. that killed a number of NBC's top executives back in '78.

"Terrorists" implies they weren't state backed, which is not disputed by anyone but the far right now. Are you denying that President Wayne sponsored death squads in the 1970s? Or are you just somehow unaware...
 
Who knows what FDR would have done? On the one hand he appeared to be a 'mainstream' politician prior to his election, while on the other one cannot overlook the massive changes he was implementing in office. That's what makes him the subject of so many massive WI scenarios on the boards... So many working internal memos and documents were 'misplaced' during the "Summer of 42" its hard to know if the man was just trying to govern from a radical left perspective or if he was setting things up for a Red Revolution.

Red Revolution? Com on! What evidence do you have of that. FDR was a mainstream liberal who was forced to move to the left due to the extraordinary circumstances of the great depression. He was no more a radical lefitst then Hoover. He was trying to preserve capitalism, although he may have planned to coopt parts of the radical left by enacting some of the social welfare programs that they supported. During FDR's short term in office, some of his major programs included a bank holiday, the FDIC, and the Securitities and Exchange Commission and trying to balance the budget, hardly an assault on capitalism. With the exception of the Civilian Conservation Corps, FDR's relief measures were mainly continuations of the programs started under Hoover.
 
Red Revolution? Com on! What evidence do you have of that. FDR was a mainstream liberal who was forced to move to the left due to the extraordinary circumstances of the great depression. He was no more a radical lefitst then Hoover. He was trying to preserve capitalism, although he may have planned to coopt parts of the radical left by enacting some of the social welfare programs that they supported. During FDR's short term in office, some of his major programs included a bank holiday, the FDIC, and the Securitities and Exchange Commission and trying to balance the budget, hardly an assault on capitalism. With the exception of the Civilian Conservation Corps, FDR's relief measures were mainly continuations of the programs started under Hoover.

What on earth are you two talking about? FDR was deposed in 1934 almost a decade before either of your wild claims. There was no second term, he was DEAD. Are you both high off VALKYR or something???
 
OOC: Once again you guys are contradicting yourselves, you have the revolution in 42 followed by a civil war in 45-this makes sense- then mention how segregation was ended through a cultural revolution.

But now your talking about a fascist in charge from the fifties through the seventies. This is a cool premise let's try to have some vague sense of continuity.
 
OOC: Once again you guys are contradicting yourselves, you have the revolution in 42 followed by a civil war in 45-this makes sense- then mention how segregation was ended through a cultural revolution.

OOC: This isn't necessarily contradictory, it's already been implied California is now separate from the United States following the socialist revolts of the 1940s for example...
 
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OOC: Once again you guys are contradicting yourselves, you have the revolution in 42 followed by a civil war in 45-this makes sense- then mention how segregation was ended through a cultural revolution.

But now your talking about a fascist in charge from the fifties through the seventies. This is a cool premise let's try to have some vague sense of continuity.

OOC: My thought is that the "Business Plot" occurred in 1934, the Popular Front Revolution took place in 1942, followed by the Second Civil War in 1945. The idea is that the "Business Plot" was initially successful, but it served to alienate the public to the point they launched a rebellion with tinges of socialism.
 
OOC: I was going to post normally, but Opera screwed up real bad on me somehow, by somehow not allowing me to click buttons, so I had to screenshot my post, and I'll have to post it that way.(I will re-type the post if someone requests it, though)

Here it is:

(P.S., Notice I'm running Ubuntu? Finally installed it a month ago and so far, it runs a lot better than Windows has been. Good stuff. :D)

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What on earth are you two talking about? FDR was deposed in 1934 almost a decade before either of your wild claims. There was no second term, he was DEAD. Are you both high off VALKYR or something???


I didn't mention anything about a second term. :confused: All the things are mentioned, were enacted during FDR's one year in office.
 
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