DBWI: Bush reelected in 2004?

As you all know, the 2004 election was a reversal of the 2000 election - President Bush won the popular vote, while losing the electoral vote. John Kerry won Ohio by merely 250 votes, and the recount precess was once again stopped by the Supreme Court. Despite opposition from Vice President Cheney, President Bush gracefully conceded in December 2004.

President Kerry was proven a disaster - see how this guy screwed up New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina:mad: Just 2 months after President Kerry outlined the timetable to withdraw troops from Iraq, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was killed in December 2006. President Kerry did save the Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy, but our economy is still in hell.

And to make things worse, we now have another joke in the White House:mad:

So what if President Bush won Ohio, and was reelected President in 2004? Would we live a better life? Screw you the electoral college:mad:

U.S. Presidential election, 2004

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John Kerry / John Edwards (D) 48.9%, 284 EV
George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (R) 50.1%, 254 EV


U.S. Senate elections, 2004
Republican: 54 seats (+3)
Democratic: 46 seats (-3)

(John Thune won by less than 0.1%, while the Democrats kept Florida.)

U.S. House elections, 2004
Republican: 228 seats (-1)
Democratic: 206 seats (+1)


U.S. Senate elections, 2006
Republican: 59 seats (+5)
Democratic: 39 + 2 seats (-5)


U.S. House elections, 2006

Republican: 251 seats (+23)
Democratic: 184 seats (-22)


U.S. Presidential election, 2008

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George Allen / Linda Lingle (R) 54.7%, 355 EV
John Kerry / John Edwards (D) 43.9%, 183 EV

U.S. Senate elections, 2008
Republican: 62 seats (+3)
Democratic: 36 + 2 seats (-3)


U.S. House elections, 2008

Republican: 265 seats (+14)
Democratic: 170 seats (-14)


U.S. Senate elections, 2010
Republican: 55 seats (-7)
Democratic: 43 + 2 seats (+7)


U.S. House elections, 2010

Democratic: 230 seats (+60)
Republican: 205 seats (-60)

OOC: Due to various unknown reasons, President Bush won only 50.1% of votes in TTL, so that John Kerry won narrowly in Iowa and New Mexico. For Ohio, irregularities seen in OTL did not happen, and perhaps some Ohio Republicans made a serious gaffe, got involved in a random scandal, enough to trigger a 1% swing from Bush to Kerry.

Just one simple rule - everything happened before June 2004 in OTL MUST NOT BE CHANGED, so no pre-2004 fantasy like interpreting President Bush as President Jeb Bush.
 
But then the Democratic Revolution may not have happened in 2010. It was all a reaction to TARP, the bailouts, then Allen Tax Cuts, etc. Thanks to the New Progressive movement, the Dems smashed the GOP in the house, and in the senate we cleaned out Isakson, Mel Martinez, Bond, and Gregg. Hell, even John McCain only got reelected in a squeaker! No republican in 2008 means no Promise To America from Pelosi. Now the Dems are set to pick up another score seats, take the senate, and put their person in the White House. Feingold 2012, anyone?
 
Wait a Second...You are forgetting...

There is also no Democratic takeover in 2006, based off of the lingering war in Iraq, Katrina, and Bush's unpopularity.

Remember how razor thin the Senate takeover was in 06. With Kerry in the White House, 2006 likely would have been a GOP year just like 2010 was. Katrina alone would have been painted with the brush, "How well George W. did after 9-11 with how incompetent Kerry was in New Orleans."

Plus, another Vietnam-like withdrawal would have been the worst possible political thing that happened to the Dems, and especially with Kerry, the anti-war apostle himself, in office. Instead of a second in a row 08 Dem surge, there would have been a second GOP surge, probably with John McCain at the top of the ticket. That is, if the Republicans followed their typical mantra of "the next guy in line" and we need a "war hero to get us out of this mess".

So no. All that would have happened is an earlier GOP surge, sans Tea Party, with no Obama, no healthcare bill (GOP congress), and a worse geopolitical situation. Though, that is not saying much considering Afghanistan.

Like the John Major-Tory narrow victory after the Gulf War, conservatives might look back at that election and wonder, was winning or losing the best thing for our party to endure that year? 2004 was the election that the Republicans would have done better to lose, just like a narrow loss by the Tories post-Gulf War would have killed New Labour in its crib. (What would have happened to unreconstructed Labour with a narrow majority and the ERM debacle? Answer, a single term and no chance for Blair and Smith to gain control of the party. No Bush taint on the GOP and President Kerry watching the Market collapse? Answer a Jimmy Carter-style route in 08.)

No John Roberts on the Supreme Court, of course, but there were two vacancies afterwards in this term. And, God help Kerry, but Edwards as VP would make the Clinton sex scandals look mild in comparison.
 
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Kerry's administration wasn't great: Given. But frankly, even George Allen is worth it (well, almost) in exchange for two Supreme Court justices, one of them the head honcho. Can you imagine living in a world where by 5-4 the Court allowed unlimited corporate money in political campaigns?
 
But then the Democratic Revolution may not have happened in 2010. It was all a reaction to TARP, the bailouts, then Allen Tax Cuts, etc. Thanks to the New Progressive movement, the Dems smashed the GOP in the house, and in the senate we cleaned out Isakson, Mel Martinez, Bond, and Gregg. Hell, even John McCain only got reelected in a squeaker! No republican in 2008 means no Promise To America from Pelosi. Now the Dems are set to pick up another score seats, take the senate, and put their person in the White House. Feingold 2012, anyone?

New Progressive movement? are you one of those "Civil Party" types that get hyped up on that slanted MSNBC bullshit? You're to blame for half of the problems in this nation. The butchered debt ceiling deal, the near-assassination of Chris Christie. If this was Chat I'd take it further, but goodness.
 
the near-assassination of Chris Christie.
:rolleyes: It's been well established that that would-be assassin nutter was just that: Crazy. His youtube videos were all about the evils of grammar mind-control and his manifestos were incomprehensible madness. He was a latter-day Arthur Bremer or Charles Guiteau.
 
:rolleyes: It's been well established that that would-be assassin nutter was just that: Crazy. His youtube videos were all about the evils of grammar mind-control and his manifestos were incomprehensible madness. He was a latter-day Arthur Bremer or Charles Guiteau.
You may be right, but remember the insane "target list" of former Governor Jennifer Granholm? In September last year, Granholm, still Governor at the time, released a map featuring 20 House Republicans and 10 Republican governors that used crosshairs images to show their districts. Critics suggested at the time that she was inciting violence by using the crosshairs imagery and for later writing on Twitter to his supporters, "'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'"
 
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Obviously if President GWB is reelected in 2004, Kerry stays in the Senate. The overwhelmingly Democratic state legislature in Massachusetts passed a law preventing the Governor from appointing a US Senator if a vacancy occurred.

Every pundit thought that Scott Harshbarger would win the special election on March 2005. He spent more time measuring the curtain drapes while Andrew Card scored an upset victory, an indication of how badly the Democrats would fare in the 2006 elections (he barely won a full six year term in 2008).

Remember that macaca remark made by President Allen outside Fenway Park while campaigning for Bill Weld in that February 2010 special election to succeed Ted Kennedy? I got three words for you: Senator Martha Coakley.
 
But then the Democratic Revolution may not have happened in 2010. It was all a reaction to TARP, the bailouts, then Allen Tax Cuts, etc. Thanks to the New Progressive movement, the Dems smashed the GOP in the house, and in the senate we cleaned out Isakson, Mel Martinez, Bond, and Gregg. Hell, even John McCain only got reelected in a squeaker! No republican in 2008 means no Promise To America from Pelosi. Now the Dems are set to pick up another score seats, take the senate, and put their person in the White House. Feingold 2012, anyone?

Revolutions here, revolutions there. If Kerry hadn't gotten in, we'd probably just have the "revolutions" from the other side. I'm kind of sick of these "Revolutions", after all the mess we've had in Wisconsin this year.

Let's see, if there had been a Democratic "revolution" in 2006, we probably would have kept Doyle as governor of Wisconsin instead of Green, assuming someone else didn't step in and campaign. The switchback would have been a Republican governor in 2010, not sure who it would be. Maybe Dick Leinenkugel, assuming he'd prefer a chance at the governorship over running against Feingold. He'd be okay, he's pretty moderate. It'd be like Tommy Thompson all over again.

Actually, that's good. A Moderate GOP taking over or Doyle staying in. Either way, that means less dirty backstabbing politics in the Madison State Capitol in 2011, no riots, 5 people would still be alive, no onslaught of recall elections... I guess that'd be pretty good for Wisconsin at least.

Don't get me wrong. I voted for Gov. Baldwin, and I thought she had some great ideas. But what the Dems in the assembly did to push her bills through... that was just wrong. And the riots afterwards... riots in freaking Madison, Wisconsin! And the dark mark's on both sides: you know who had to have paid for those fancy "Freedom Buses" which brought all of the protestors into town.

And, yes, I'd say Senator Feingold handled the situation from Washington very well indeed. Allen never should have called in the Nat'l Guard without talking to Baldwin first, and his scolding from Feingold was quite well-deserved. 5 people are dead because of that debacle.

Sorry, digressing into chat.
 
Kerry was much better than Bush pulling out of Iraq and insituting the public option health care system.. that bush was a complete fluke!
 

loughery111

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Kerry was much better than Bush pulling out of Iraq and insituting the public option health care system.. that bush was a complete fluke!

Public healthcare, I'll give you, but what's this about pulling out of Iraq? He didn't run on a platform that included that and he didn't do it. Oh, sure, he starved the whole thing of resources and funding until we only had 50,000 men on the ground, but the irony there is that our average losses every month went up, a lot. The only people who pulled out of Iraq were the reporters; I guess it's not surprising that most everyone forgot about it, at that point. But I can't blame them, given that they couldn't operate without being shot at, shot, or kidnapped, and the Army had no one to spare to protect them.
 
Public healthcare, I'll give you, but what's this about pulling out of Iraq? He didn't run on a platform that included that and he didn't do it. Oh, sure, he starved the whole thing of resources and funding until we only had 50,000 men on the ground, but the irony there is that our average losses every month went up, a lot. The only people who pulled out of Iraq were the reporters; I guess it's not surprising that most everyone forgot about it, at that point. But I can't blame them, given that they couldn't operate without being shot at, shot, or kidnapped, and the Army had no one to spare to protect them.

but by 2009 there was only 15.000 left and now they are gone..
Not to mention we are scheuled to leave Afghanstan next year.

Perhaps what I most admire about Kerry is that he cancelled the Bush Tax Cuts and he put our budget back into a surplus.

If we had contiued Bush Policies we would had fallen into recession for sure..
 
Okay... lets talk about 2012 since Kerry cant and wont run for a third term who is going to win the Demcoratic Nomination?
 

loughery111

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but by 2009 there was only 15.000 left and now they are gone..
Not to mention we are scheuled to leave Afghanstan next year.

Perhaps what I most admire about Kerry is that he cancelled the Bush Tax Cuts and he put our budget back into a surplus.

If we had contiued Bush Policies we would had fallen into recession for sure..

Okay... lets talk about 2012 since Kerry cant and wont run for a third term who is going to win the Demcoratic Nomination?

Jesus, if you're going to write in these things, at least bother to read what's been posted up until now, would you? It's been specifically stated that Kerry LOST in 2008, and the current Republican administration is looking pretty sickly.
 
Jesus, if you're going to write in these things, at least bother to read what's been posted up until now, would you? It's been specifically stated that Kerry LOST in 2008, and the current Republican administration is looking pretty sickly.

well okay what are your ideas for the Demoratic Nomination...
 
I'm not sure if Bush in '04 would have been any better....

he would have been worse..
I mean the guy was just incompetent...
He says one thing and dose another

he just some failure who got into the office because of farther

Being a Liberal I voted for kerry in 04 and 08.

But now I can't decide who i will vote for in the primaries

Hillary Clinton or Dennis Kunnich...
and then Bernie Saunders might run as an idependent..

Any way Allen is just a Reganite Freak..
 
he would have been worse..
I mean the guy was just incompetent...
He says one thing and dose another

he just some failure who got into the office because of farther

Being a Liberal I voted for kerry in 04 and 08.

But now I can't decide who i will vote for in the primaries

Hillary Clinton or Dennis Kunnich...
and then Bernie Saunders might run as an idependent..

Any way Allen is just a Reganite Freak..

Are you one of those people that are STILL mad he beat Gore in 2000? Because I will say one thing: Bush probably was better than him. Plus he wasn't a total failure as Governor. I will admit that he probably would do about as well, considering that Kerry's own screw-ups didn't pile on dramatically until Katrina.

As for 2012, I see a democrat win, possibly either with Feingold or Clinton. Will they use said victory correctly? That's another question...
 

bguy

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Perhaps what I most admire about Kerry is that he cancelled the Bush Tax Cuts and he put our budget back into a surplus.

OOC: How does Kerry possibly achieve either a repeal of the Bush tax cuts or a public option for health care when he has Republican majorities in both houses of Congress for his entire presidency? He's not going to be able to achieve anything on taxes and on health care about the best he could realistically achieve is to get SCHIP expanded.
 
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