DBWI: Bill, not Hillary

OTL Bill Clinton lost the Democratic nomination in 1992 to Paul Tsongas, who proceeded to serve as President from 1993 to 1997. Vice President Bayh proceeded to be elected in 1997 and serve until 2005.

Hillary Clinton proceeded to get elected Senator in 1998 and in 2008 was elected America's first woman president after Dubya's rough term.

What if Bill Clinton had been elected in 1992 and Hillary Clinton hadn't become president?
 
Bill Clinton was much less hawkish on the deficit than Tsongas, and ran a much more populist campaign, so you probably wouldn't have seen the budget surpluses of the 2000s or the generally neoliberal shift in the Democratic Party. A more traditional Democratic president elected in '08 (Joe Biden maybe?) might have pushed for a bigger stimulus bill. Of course, Bill's 'extracurricular' activities create alot of opportunities for interesting PODs, if say, the Forbes campaign gets wind of an incident with an intern during the '96 campaign.
 
OTL Bill Clinton lost the Democratic nomination in 1992 to Paul Tsongas, who proceeded to serve as President from 1993 to 1997. Vice President Bayh proceeded to be elected in 1997 and serve until 2005.

Hillary Clinton proceeded to get elected Senator in 1998 and in 2008 was elected America's first woman president after Dubya's rough term.

What if Bill Clinton had been elected in 1992 and Hillary Clinton hadn't become president?

I remember the Clinton years distinctly and that was a rough time. There's a reason that from 2005-2013 we had two one term Presidents in a row (Bush II then Clinton). But admittedly she did her best under the circumstances. At least she'll always be remembered as the first female President of the United States.

If Bill had won in 1992, why couldn't Hillary have been elected later? If not 2008, then perhaps 2012 or 2016.
 

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Well, Hillary gets the shit job of having to fix Bush's mess that is US invasion of Iraq, but no, she didn't really learn from Bush's lesson and going on to invade Libya when the mess at Iraq hasn't been properly finished yet.

Those are reasons why Reform party managed to snatch 2013 from both Democrats and Republicans, people thought both parties as same hawkish shits with different country they want to invade.
 
I remember the Clinton years distinctly and that was a rough time. There's a reason that from 2005-2013 we had two one term Presidents in a row (Bush II then Clinton). But admittedly she did her best under the circumstances. At least she'll always be remembered as the first female President of the United States.

If Bill had won in 1992, why couldn't Hillary have been elected later? If not 2008, then perhaps 2012 or 2016.

If Bill wins in 1992, then Hillary's going to go into a 2008-2016 campaign with whatever baggage he accrues during his Presidency. Assuming the Iraq and Libya wars and the late-2000s recession happen more or less as IOTL, voters are going to be looking for a fresh face.
 
Well, Hillary gets the shit job of having to fix Bush's mess that is US invasion of Iraq, but no, she didn't really learn from Bush's lesson and going on to invade Libya when the mess at Iraq hasn't been properly finished yet.

Those are reasons why Reform party managed to snatch 2013 from both Democrats and Republicans, people thought both parties as same hawkish shits with different country they want to invade.

It's not like Bloomberg is much less hawkish. He just preferred bombing to boots on the ground.
 
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Bayh was able to win on the sympathy vote, the booming economy, and the balanced budget.

Much of the 1990s featured right wing politicians claiming that Bayh knew Tsongas was dying as early as 1992, and covered it up to he could "seize" the Presidency later on. Alex Jones outright accused Bayh of infecting Tsongas with radiation.

I wonder if TTL Clinton's personal life would've been as prominent as Bayh's was throughout the late 90s, when those prosecutors overturned every stone of Bayh's life to find proof of Tsongas cover up?
 
Alex Jones is gonna Alex Jones in any timeline. If Bill Clinton wins the presidency Jones will accuse him of having people murdered to cover up his affairs..
 

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Alex Jones is gonna Alex Jones in any timeline. If Bill Clinton wins the presidency Jones will accuse him of having people murdered to cover up his affairs..
Affairs? What affairs? The First Gentleman Bill is one of the most trusted role model of an ideal husband. He never cheats, ever, even when he has the chances as being Governor of Arkansas.
 
Come on, we're talking about the man who accused President Ventura of faking his war record, you think he couldn't make up an affair on the part of the First Gentleman? By the time Alex Jones finished with him, Bill would be having illicit liaisons with interns in the Oval Office!
 
If Bill wins in 1992, then Hillary's going to go into a 2008-2016 campaign with whatever baggage he accrues during his Presidency. Assuming the Iraq and Libya wars and the late-2000s recession happen more or less as IOTL, voters are going to be looking for a fresh face.

If Bill wins, Hillary will never be President. People don't want to give that much power to one family, especially after the Bushes.

As far as fresh faces go, if Bill had been President and done well, Hillary could have used the slogan "It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush". But it would be a risky strategy - riding her husband's coattails would make her look like she isn't her own person.
 
If Bill wins, Hillary will never be President. People don't want to give that much power to one family, especially after the Bushes.

As far as fresh faces go, if Bill had been President and done well, Hillary could have used the slogan "It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush". But it would be a risky strategy - riding her husband's coattails would make her look like she isn't her own person.

Also, it's hard to see Hillary getting elected to the Senate as the sitting First Lady or the spouse of a one-term former president. ITTL she won't have any accomplishments of her own to justify voting for her.
 
Alex Jones is gonna Alex Jones in any timeline. If Bill Clinton wins the presidency Jones will accuse him of having people murdered to cover up his affairs..

Or maybe he would blame the Deep State. One of Hillary's staffers died of a drug overdose a few months after she took office. According to Alex, that was really a warning to her because she asked about JFK.
 
We would not have seen Hillary switch parties to the Republican Party, her campaign was supported by the late Patti Reagan and Dubya's wife and she defeated the Democratic nominee , JFK jr. even if JFK jr's wife is the ex-wife of George VII and future King mother, Diana S. Kennedy, HRC is the main reason for the republicans to remain ruling 8 years straight and she was even the VP of Bush before he got assassinated by Alqaeda months before the elections, she is a big friend of Dick Cheney.

Hillary used the conflict of interests as an issue against JFK jr. in the campaign, he was toast when she brought it up.

Bayh's presidency in 1997-2005 caused HRC to switch parties since he sided with JFK jr.
 
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We would not have seen Hillary switch parties to the Republican Party, her campaign was supported by the late Patti Reagan and Dubya's wife and she defeated the Democratic nominee , JFK jr. even if JFK jr's wife is the ex-wife of George VII and future King mother, Diana S. Kennedy, HRC is the main reason for the republicans to remain ruling 16 years straight.

Hillary used the conflict of interests as an issue against JFK jr. in the campaign, he was toast when she brought it up.

Gore's presidency in 1997-2001 caused HRC to switch parties since he sided with JFK jr.

OOC: It's been established that Bayh was President from 1997-2005, Dubya from 2005-2009, HRC from 2009-2013, and Bloomberg from 2013-Present.
 

Touche. :)

We would not have seen Hillary switch parties to the Republican Party, her campaign was supported by the late Patti Reagan and Dubya's wife and she defeated the Democratic nominee , JFK jr. even if JFK jr's wife is the ex-wife of George VII and future King mother, Diana S. Kennedy, HRC is the main reason for the republicans to remain ruling 8 years straight and she was even the VP of Bush before he got assassinated by Alqaeda months before the elections, she is a big friend of Dick Cheney.

Hillary used the conflict of interests as an issue against JFK jr. in the campaign, he was toast when she brought it up.

Bayh's presidency in 1997-2005 caused HRC to switch parties since he sided with JFK jr.


HRC's rise to power was weird, and pretty intimately tied to the collapse of the Democratic Party.

The warning signs were there in 2000 when Nader and McKinney broken 5% against Bayh. The Green-Progressive faction in the Democratic party only got louder from 2000 onwards. When the faction took the nomination in 2004, the Clinton became the face of the "Independent Democratic Caucus" in the Senate which endorsed Bush that year - likely to save her own hide from losing reelection. Bush wanted Cheney to be his VP, but Cheney urged hard for Clinton and the Unity Ticket popped out of that. With the Democrats way to the left of the mainstream, Bush-Clinton landslided that year.

Clinton proved to be as effective a President as LBJ, using the sympathy from W's assassination to push through the One Nation Conservative Agenda: Social Security Privatization, Medicare Drug Price Negotiation, Drug Importation, the Medicare Buy-In, Medicaid Expansion, and the High Risk Pool program for covering preexisting conditions. She rode sympathy, domestic successes, and the conservative and neoliberal faction of the Democratic Party defecting to Bloomberg-Boren to a landslide in 2008. Granted, the Republican-IndDem coalition supermajorities in the house and senate made governance pretty easy.

Then in her second term she was too preoccupied with the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Mali, and Syria-Lebanon and the collapse of the global economy to push a Domestic Agenda.

Then Feingold took the nomination in 2012, half the Democrats and a third of Republicans defected to Bloomberg-Locke and the IndDem Caucus joined Bloomberg's Reform Party.
 
Touche. :)




HRC's rise to power was weird, and pretty intimately tied to the collapse of the Democratic Party.

The warning signs were there in 2000 when Nader and McKinney broken 5% against Bayh. The Green-Progressive faction in the Democratic party only got louder from 2000 onwards. When the faction took the nomination in 2004, the Clinton became the face of the "Independent Democratic Caucus" in the Senate which endorsed Bush that year - likely to save her own hide from losing reelection. Bush wanted Cheney to be his VP, but Cheney urged hard for Clinton and the Unity Ticket popped out of that. With the Democrats way to the left of the mainstream, Bush-Clinton landslided that year.

Clinton proved to be as effective a President as LBJ, using the sympathy from W's assassination to push through the One Nation Conservative Agenda: Social Security Privatization, Medicare Drug Price Negotiation, Drug Importation, the Medicare Buy-In, Medicaid Expansion, and the High Risk Pool program for covering preexisting conditions. She rode sympathy, domestic successes, and the conservative and neoliberal faction of the Democratic Party defecting to Bloomberg-Boren to a landslide in 2008. Granted, the Republican-IndDem coalition supermajorities in the house and senate made governance pretty easy.

Then in her second term she was too preoccupied with the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Mali, and Syria-Lebanon and the collapse of the global economy to push a Domestic Agenda.

Then Feingold took the nomination in 2012, half the Democrats and a third of Republicans defected to Bloomberg-Locke and the IndDem Caucus joined Bloomberg's Reform Party.

She says herself to be better than JFK jr. who is married to Diana Spencer, former princess of Wales the ex-wife of George VII, I think if JFK jr. became president rather than another term of HRC we would have seen a more closer relations to Britain.
 
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