DBWI:Berlin to be Renamed

Concerning this discussion about Nazi Germany: has anyone heard of Ronald Reagan? He is a movie actor of some accomplishment (although not in the same league as Clark Gable or Jimmy Cagney) who is becoming more interested in politics. There is talk he might run for Senator in 1964 or maybe Governor in 1966.

He gave a wonderful speech to the California Republican Convention recently ... something they needed to hear, given that there are some soft-on-Nazi elements in the party. Here are some excerpts that should ring out loud and clear:


But whatever sad episodes exist in our past, any objective observer must hold a positive view of American history, a history that has been the story of hopes fulfilled and dreams made into reality. Especially in this century, America has kept alight the torch of freedom, but not just for ourselves but for millions of others around the world.

And this brings me to my final point today. During a recent conversation I had with some members of Congress, in answer to a direct question, I point out that, as good Nazis, the German leaders have openly and publicly declared that the only morality they recognize is that which will further their cause, which is world domination. I think I should point out I was only quoting Hitler, their guiding spirit, who wrote in 1925 that they repudiate all morality that proceeds from supernatural ideas - that's their name for religion - or ideas that are outside racial conceptions. Morality is entirely subordinate to the interests of race war. And everything is moral that is necessary for the annihilation of the old, Jewish dominated social order and for uniting the so-called Aryan races.

Well, I think the refusal of many influential people to accept this elementary fact of Nazi doctrine illustrates a historical reluctance to see totalitarian powers for what they are. We saw this phenomenon in the 1930s. We see it too often today.

They must be made to understand we will never compromise our principles and standards. We will never give away our freedom. We will never abandon our belief in God. And we will never stop searching for a genuine peace. The reality is that we must find peace through strength.

A number of years ago, I heard a young father, a very prominent young man in the entertainment world, addressing a tremendous gathering in California. It was during the time of the cold war, and Nazism and our own way of life were very much on people's minds. And he was speaking to that subject. And suddenly, though, I heard him saying, "I love my little girls more than anything -" And I said to myself, "Oh, no, don't. You can't - don't say that." But I had underestimated him. He went on: "I would rather see my little girls die now, still believing in God, than have them grow up under Nazism and one day die no longer believing in God."

There were thousands of young people in that audience. They came to their feet with shouts of joy. They had instantly recognized the profound truth in what he had said, with regard to the physical and the soul and what was truly important.

Yes, let us pray for the salvation of all of those who live in that totalitarian darkness - pray they will discover the joy of knowing God. But until they do, let us be aware that while they preach the supremacy of the Fuhrer principle, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world.

It was C.S. Lewis who, in his unforgettable Screwtape Letters, wrote: "The greatest evil is not done now in those sordid 'dens of rime' that Dickens loved to paint. It is not even done in concentration camps and labor camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do no need to raise their voice."

Well, because these "quiet men" like Herr Speer do not "raise their voices," because they sometimes speak in soothing tones of brotherhood and peace, because, like other dictators before them, they're always making "their final territorial demand," some would have us accept them as their word and accommodate ourselves to their aggressive impulses. But if history teaches anything, it teaches that simpleminded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. It means the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom.
So, I urge you to speak our against those who would place the United States in a position of military and moral inferiority.

While America's military strength is important, let me add here that I've always maintained that the struggle now going on for the world will never be decided by bombs or rockets, by armies or military might. The real crisis we face today is a spiritual one; at root, it is a test of moral will and faith.


I believe we shall rise to the challenge. I believe that Nazism is another sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages even now are being written. I believe this because the source of our strength in the quest for human freedom is not material, but spiritual. And because it knows no limitation, it must terrify and ultimately triumph over those who would enslave their fellow man. For in the words of Isaiah: "He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might He increased strength . . . But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary . . . "

Yes, change your world. One of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Paine, said, "We have it within our power to begin the world over again." We can do it, doing together what no one church could do by itself. God bless you, and thank you very much.

Oh yes a lot of blahblah from a thrid-rate actor. Talking about your jewish god. This god doesn't exists. He hadn't helped his "chosen people". He hadn't helped you during your failed attempt to land at the normandie in 1946. He hadn't helped those old guy who was once in Rome. But you still praying to your fucking jew god.

OOC: The Nazis viewed christianity as a jewish religion. First they made dealings with the churches (catholic and lutherian) because they had a large power base in germany. And the churches was eager to make deal with hitler. At least he said that he would crush the godless bolsheviks. And if he want to kill the jews: Who cares they killed our lord jesus christ.
Later they recognized that the nazis also liked christianity well. In ATL the pope moved from Rome to let's say Boston USA because it was to dangerous in Italy for him.
I'm not sure how far the dechristianistation is in 1963 but the churches have lost almost all their power within germany.
I'm also not sure whether Himmler or his successors build up their aryan believe in Odin, Thor and so on further.
 
OOC: The Nazis viewed christianity as a jewish religion. First they made dealings with the churches (catholic and lutherian) because they had a large power base in germany. And the churches was eager to make deal with hitler. At least he said that he would crush the godless bolsheviks. And if he want to kill the jews: Who cares they killed our lord jesus christ.
Later they recognized that the nazis also liked christianity well. In ATL the pope moved from Rome to let's say Boston USA because it was to dangerous in Italy for him.
I'm not sure how far the dechristianistation is in 1963 but the churches have lost almost all their power within germany.
I'm also not sure whether Himmler or his successors build up their aryan believe in Odin, Thor and so on further.


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Lichtbringer (clever name btw),

I basically agree with your thoughts on the Nazis and Christianity. I debated whether to keep the references to God in Reagan's speech ... in the actual history, President Reagan gave an anti-Soviet speech to the National Association of Evangelicals in 1983: that was the famous "evil Empire" speech.
 
Yes, I've read all of this. Some Posts like the Hitler-Franco-Mussolini threesome where cherrfully ignored.
It was only a Hitler-Franco duo, dude, I said that Mussolini rejected the idea of joining them and have a threesome. And I don't know why couldn't Franco have been kicked out for that... Am I really seeing some German words in your vocabulary?

Sealion would be the first major invasion of a enemy since when? 1066? Could you think what that done to the britisch psych? I could imagine that the british mainland it built up to a fortress after the nazis were thrown out of the island. The british would reallocate every force neccessary on Britania. If that means that some colonies must be abandoned then it be so. Therefore the transistion from colonial to independence would be much more rougher than OTL.

The thing with Britain is that no one has invaded the island successfully since 1066, but there is nothing that says that it hasn't been invaded at all. At first Sealion would hurt the British psych, but when they kick the Nazis out of the island it would be a huge boost for their moral
 
Dear god you nazis are stupid! The whole "Ayran master race" with the Blonde hair and blue eyes and all that crap. Do you forget that hitler had black hair? Also, Hitler was part jewish, and got off by having his neice piss on him. You really want to idolize some who gets off on that kind of shit?
 
OOC: A little bumpity. Isn't it odd that while we've had American, Nazi, and even fascists Irishmen relocated to Russia role play, no one's done the Japanese?

Dear god you nazis are stupid! The whole "Ayran master race" with the Blonde hair and blue eyes and all that crap. Do you forget that hitler had black hair? Also, Hitler was part jewish, and got off by having his neice piss on him. You really want to idolize some who gets off on that kind of shit?

Very few of the Nazi's are actually blond or blue eyed, so I think there's an air of self loathing their. I hear they love the Scandinavians though.
 
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