DBWI: Barack Obama won the 2008 Democratic nomination?

A white woman,skin color matters more than gender to many in America

The vitriol of the last 4 years says that may no longer be the case. Republicans have been winning the Asian male vote in 2012 and 2014, and the Hispanic male vote is rising.

Then again you can argue some Hispanics and Asians have honorary white status.


He didn't even come close to Clinton who win with 2705 delegates


Obama wasn't that close, but he wasn't too far off- it took North Carolina to push Hillary through, and that was in May. I remember tactically voting for Obama because I still was a fan of McCain. Glad I was wrong on that one, Hillary was much better than her sellout husband.

I know he's in a prison cell today, but I had a soft spot for John Edwards policies.
 
While Hillary's work across party borders is is sparse but functional. (Though I won't say it hasn't had its ups and down). I think a lot of Hillary's success is a result of the semi-decent working relationship she has with the republicans. And yes, I know that working relationship has broken down many times, and yes the Republican has dug in and defended some of their core issues a number of times as well. But overall the they've managed to compromise on a number of important issues.

As I understand it from this thread Obama leans far more to the right in the Democrats in comparison to Hillary. It might mean that Obama would have a really good working relationship with the Republicans compared to Hillary's semi-functional one.

Hard to say about 2012 and 2016. I think the Republicans would go for a left leaning moderate (as far as republicans go), and an attempt to snatch up a lot of the middle of the road moderates vote as well as the traditional Republican vote. So a solid and honest social conservative to pander to the traditional republican voting block, with "left leaning" moderate economic policy to snatch up a lot of right leaning moderate Democrat voters.

Unless he fucks up colossally, Obama will probably be a two termer, two termers are far more common then not in the last few decades.
 
As for McCain, would it be possible he'd have gone with a riskier VP pick had Obama won the nomination? in OTL he felt safe going with his original and ultimate choice of Romney due to it being a race of issues between him and Clinton, if Obama was the nominee and had continued his change narrative from his campaign; McCain might have picked someone else to try and counter that.

Oh, you're talking about Lieberman, aren't you? :p

Lieberman would have been either a hit or a miss, likely a miss. On one hand he was one of the Democratic candidates for VP gone renegade, but he also lost and can dampen McCain's image being a former Dem and all.

McCain could pick a woman VP if Obama wins the nominee to soak up some female votes. Either Bachmann or that Alaskan governor (forget the name, sorry).

IMHO the only person who could provide McCain with a slam-dunk ticket was Powell, but that never materialized. Hear he is considering running in 2016 though, so that's probably a good sign of things. :eek:
 
You mean Sarah Palin? She got impeached not long after Blagojevic. They had a brief show on Comedy Central together, but I didn't think it was funny. (I'm surprised it lasted longer than Parker/Spitzer...)
I never intended to vote Hillary and am proud to say I didn't. I might have voted for Obama, but given his silence on the continued deployment of troops to Iraq, as well as the disaster in Libya, I'm rather reluctant to back him.
Not sure who I will vote for in 2016- it may be a Democrat (Though NOT Kerry), it might be Rohrabacher (if Kerry gets the nod- though his other stances are turning me off), or, if it's Kerry vs. Cotton, I'm likely to vote third party again.
 
Would Obama have been able to do anything different regarding the Ferguson, MO Riots and the subsequent Black Lives Matter movement? I had colleagues who were in Saint Louis when the riots broke and saw the National Guard deployed to the region. Much like the Rodney King Riots of 1992, the city has a permanent scar emotionally....
 
Oh, you're talking about Lieberman, aren't you? :p

Lieberman would have been either a hit or a miss, likely a miss. On one hand he was one of the Democratic candidates for VP gone renegade, but he also lost and can dampen McCain's image being a former Dem and all.

McCain could pick a woman VP if Obama wins the nominee to soak up some female votes. Either Bachmann or that Alaskan governor (forget the name, sorry).

IMHO the only person who could provide McCain with a slam-dunk ticket was Powell, but that never materialized. Hear he is considering running in 2016 though, so that's probably a good sign of things. :eek:

I doubt that McCain would pick Bachmann or Palin, as both would alienate moderates that he would have needed to get if he had any chance of winning the election (which did him little good in OTL through, when he picked the moderate leaning Romney, so I may be wrong there).

Jindal might have been a good choice through.
 
While Hillary's work across party borders is is sparse but functional. (Though I won't say it hasn't had its ups and down). I think a lot of Hillary's success is a result of the semi-decent working relationship she has with the republicans. And yes, I know that working relationship has broken down many times, and yes the Republican has dug in and defended some of their core issues a number of times as well. But overall the they've managed to compromise on a number of important issues.

As I understand it from this thread Obama leans far more to the right in the Democrats in comparison to Hillary. It might mean that Obama would have a really good working relationship with the Republicans compared to Hillary's semi-functional one.

I'm not so sure about that, sadly: there's still the Tea Party to worry about, and the fact that they're continuing to hold on to much of their popularity-you thought they were nasty to Hillary Clinton, don't doubt for a second that they'd be even harder on Obama were he to win in 2016(that, and Senator Obama, up until 2013, was actually more liberal than Mrs. Clinton on many social issues, gay marriage included after the fall of '09).

Hard to say about 2012 and 2016. I think the Republicans would go for a left leaning moderate (as far as republicans go), and an attempt to snatch up a lot of the middle of the road moderates vote as well as the traditional Republican vote. So a solid and honest social conservative to pander to the traditional republican voting block, with "left leaning" moderate economic policy to snatch up a lot of right leaning moderate Democrat voters.

Unless he fucks up colossally, Obama will probably be a two termer, two termers are far more common then not in the last few decades.

They could have, but knowing what happened IOTL, I'm not so sure about the moderation bit. Remember, this is the party that ran Mitt Romney in 2012-and he lost to Clinton 51-47. Of course, it's still quite possible that Romney could run again in '16; he *has* managed to distance himself from the TP set, thus giving him an edge, but even he's got a way to go: Right now, as it stands, only Rob Portman and Susan Collins are genuinely giving Mr. Obama a run for his money in the polls(part of that is because they've both made a genuine effort to help steer the GOP back to a saner path, and aren't getting involved in any of this "Repeal Title IX" nonsense, nor did they sit back and just watch when the Civil Rights Act was gutted last year, greatly helping to gain them respect amongst the moderates.).....and Collins and Portman aren't just hated by the Teabaggers, much of the establishment doesn't like them either.....especially not after Collins came out in support of the Supreme Court's decision that effectively made same-sex marriage protected by law nationwide in June of this year.
 
Not only would Obama have defeated McCain, Obama would immediately be awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize!! :p

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Hey, a man can dream, can't he? :D

But seriously though, I agree we would definately have seen a Republican president in 2012 once the magic wears off and Obama's lack of experience becomes painfully obvious. His presidency would likely have been a big disappointment unfortunately.
 
Not only would Obama have defeated McCain, Obama would immediately be awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize!! :p

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Hey, a man can dream, can't he? :D

But seriously though, I agree we would definately have seen a Republican president in 2012 once the magic wears off and Obama's lack of experience becomes painfully obvious. His presidency would likely have been a big disappointment unfortunately.

I'm not so sure about that; if anything at all, back in '08, people wanted a change, any change at all from BushCo.....and, as it turns out, despite the fact that Clinton had made a few fairly poor decisions in her first term, that didn't stop Mitt Romney from losing pretty badly in 2012: with that in mind, I can't see Obama necessarily doing any worse, and in fact, he might actually fare better, at least in some areas(Clinton almost won Indiana, in fact!) with him being a relative outsider in '08.

And now we're seeing the GOP undergoing a genuinely major schism between the moderates and the more hardline rightists; 2014 may have been a victory, but it's increasingly apparent that was very much a last hurrah type of victory.....and mind you, this was under Clinton IOTL. One must wonder if a more racialized backlash against Obama in some other TL might backfire even worse for them.
 
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