DBWI: Banning Liefsdag?!?

Odélstingi is currently voting on the bill dropping 'Liefsdag' celebrations, and so far it seems to be unanimous.
 
At least we will still be celibrating the day in New Avalon after we whiped your butts at the battle of the cape.
 
See, that's exactly why European political systems are so confounding. Two legislatures? What, the one wasn't doing enough damage on its own? ;) No, I know even in Måmi we have our College of Princes. But nowadays they tend to concern themselves mainly with rules on genealogy and the maximum length of hair allowable for it to be considered truly shaven.* They're really not a part of government anymore.

My culturally insensitive comments aside, I've said before that I thought it could only be a Good Thing that Vinland's re-evaluating Liefsdag. I just didn't realize the movement was actually serious.
 
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See, that's exactly why European political systems are so confounding. Two legislatures? What, the one wasn't doing enough damage on its own? ;)

LOL :D :D :D Sometimes, I feel that way. Technically, Altíngiń is a single legislature, divided into two "departments" on legislative matters - Odélstingi, or the lower house, and the Løgrétta, or "upper house". In reality, the Løgrétta is a mere formality, since Odélstingi does most legislation and the Løgrétta is pretty much a chamber of "sober second thought". However, all MPs meet in plenary sessions - this first vote was just the beginning. If the Løgrétta demands revisions, then Odélstingi will vote on whether to accept the revisions - if yes, then it will be signed into law by the Patriarch; if not, then it will take a plenary session to sort it out.

No, I know even in Måmi we have our College of Princes. But nowadays they tend to concern themselves mainly with rules on genealogy and the maximum length of hair allowable for it to be considered truly shaven.* They're really not a part of government anymore.

Hmm, why does that remind me of Sweden's House of Lords?

My culturally insensitive comments aside, I've said before that I thought it could only be a Good Thing that Vinland's re-evaluating Liefsdag. I just didn't realize the movement was actually serious.

Thanks. :cool:

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The Løgrétta just received the bill today, so as expected, the debates are still going on as I speak.
 
LOL :D :D :D Sometimes, I feel that way. Technically, Altíngiń is a single legislature, divided into two "departments" on legislative matters - Odélstingi, or the lower house, and the Løgrétta, or "upper house". In reality, the Løgrétta is a mere formality, since Odélstingi does most legislation and the Løgrétta is pretty much a chamber of "sober second thought". However, all MPs meet in plenary sessions - this first vote was just the beginning. If the Løgrétta demands revisions, then Odélstingi will vote on whether to accept the revisions - if yes, then it will be signed into law by the Patriarch; if not, then it will take a plenary session to sort it out.

Do I need to repeat my last comment? ;)

Hmm, why does that remind me of Sweden's House of Lords?

Shhhh....

Yes, there was actually a very deliberate copying there. After the revolutions of the mid-19th century, the College was set up as a compromise to make sure the Princes had some role in the new government. Before that, they had never met in such a body; they had been in charge of administrating their various cities and provinces. So the College of Princes is really a very artificial body, in essence a bone thrown to the old local autocrats. It doesn't have the long tradition of Sweden's House of Lords (on which it was modeled, but don't say that!)

The Løgrétta just received the bill today, so as expected, the debates are still going on as I speak.

Let us know how it turns out. Because you know the Hogarlandish news will skip it or bury it.
 
Do I need to repeat my last comment? ;)

Welcome to Vinland. :D


Shhhh....

Yes, there was actually a very deliberate copying there. After the revolutions of the mid-19th century, the College was set up as a compromise to make sure the Princes had some role in the new government. Before that, they had never met in such a body; they had been in charge of administrating their various cities and provinces. So the College of Princes is really a very artificial body, in essence a bone thrown to the old local autocrats. It doesn't have the long tradition of Sweden's House of Lords (on which it was modeled, but don't say that!)

Makes sense. The original design of the Løgrétta was so that senior members of Altíngiń would have an outlet for themselves, but it hasn't really turned out that way, thus the division of Altíngiń is also a bit artificial.


Let us know how it turns out. Because you know the Hogarlandish news will skip it or bury it.

But of course. :cool: I live here, so it would make sense. Currently, it is going through the committee stage - IIRC, there will be a vote in the Løgrétta on Friday.
 
See, that's exactly why European political systems are so confounding. Two legislatures? What, the one wasn't doing enough damage on its own? ;) No, I know even in Måmi we have our College of Princes. But nowadays they tend to concern themselves mainly with rules on genealogy and the maximum length of hair allowable for it to be considered truly shaven.* They're really not a part of government anymore.

My culturally insensitive comments aside, I've said before that I thought it could only be a Good Thing that Vinland's re-evaluating Liefsdag. I just didn't realize the movement was actually serious.
That's why we gave them up in Nouvelle Normandie. Everyone knows Monarchies with feudal systems are more efficient - no buearacracy, no power-mad merchants, just machine-like efficieancy.
 
UPDATE: The Løgrétta approved the bill on banning 'Liefsdag' celebrations without modification. Now it's up to the Patriarch.
 
Man, it's times like this that make me proud to be a Boer.

We don't have patriachs and all this garbage.

The best democracy is direct democracy.

That's how we do it out here on The Great Veldt, in each and every one of our 20 Boer Free States which comprise The Federal Republic of Boer Free States.

The federal government only meets for important stuff, like wars and treaties of such sort. Other than that, most of the day to day stuff is either handled by state or municipality in yearly balloting.

Direct democracy is what enabled us to maintain cohesion and survive The Great Trek after our effite provincial cousins in Nieuw Nederland kicked us out.

Not that anyone's complaining. We gained true self determination loooong before they did plus we control almost the entirety of The Great Veldt, the exception being the Lakota lands to the north/northeast.
 
OOC: Sounds like it's time for a map update. Care to share the size and location of Boer and Lakota?

The Great Veldt is pretty much the US great plains, so figure the Lakota to be in OTL Minnesota, the Dakotas, Iowa and parts of eastern Montana and northern Nebraska with a chunk of northeast Wyoming. The Boers (having a large mestee population, and most importantly, guns and horses) have carved out a rather large territory stretching from OTL middle to western Montana in the north down through middle to western Wyoming, Colorado, southern Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas (north of the rio Grande, with a big chunk of New Mexico east of the Rio Grande, and have even reached the Great Salt Lake. They accquired the vast quantity of land through a combination of armed conflict and intermarriage with the "abros" of The Great Veldt and (perhaps) a bloody war with Mexica over "The Texas" as the Boers called it.

[The Boers, in TTL, I see as a sort of fusion of OTL Boers, the Scots Irish settlers of the mid-Atlantic and sourthern British colonies (OTL) and French Canadian voyageurs (OTL), culturally.]

The Boers origins (ITTL), The Great Trek (ITTL and the reasons for it) and the Boer settlement of The Great Veldt would make for a couple of epics in themselves, actually.

Already have the basis for the first two formulated, actually, and have it in mind to write them out. Perhaps another thread, fleshing out the established cultures in this world would be something to explore this interesting little world a bit further.

One thing about Nieuw Nederland: the Dutch (IOTL) actually established claims to the whole of OTL Connecticut and Rhode Island. Without the English Mass. Bay colony, I could see them settling as far north as The Grote Baii ITTL (due in large part to TTL's Boers). Perhaps OTL New Hampshire ends up a buffer zone between NN and Vinland ITTL, perhaps not. Makes for an interesting disputed area too. Also OTL Pennsylvania would (again due in large part to TTL's Boers) be part of Nieuw Nederland as well. (Partially due to OTL Dutch claims and, yet again, to The Boers settlement of these area...which I assure you, they had very good reason to do.)
 
UPDATE: It's now official - the Patriarch has signed the bill banning 'Liefsdag' celebrations into law. Another relic of Danish colonialism is gone! :cool:
 
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