DBWI: Austria not part of Germany

As we all know, Austria became part of the German Empire after the Austro-German War of 1874, where the German Empire dealt a crushing defeat on the Austrian Empire which led to Hungary and Croatia becoming independent (Croatia became a monarchy with a local aristocrat as their king while Hungary proclaimed itself a republic) and Austria (and Bohemia) annexed by the German Empire. So, what if there was no Austro-German War and Austria wasn't annexed by the German Empire? Was Anschluss an inevitable thing? Or could Austria have survived as a nation independent of the German Empire?
 
The Austrians would want to join Germany eventually anyway for nationalistic reasons I don't know what kind of traumatic lunacy it would take for the Austrians to start pretending they arnt Germans but for some reason I get the feeling the perpetrators would snappy dressers.

This certainly butterflies away the Bohemians revolt and the Posen rebellion and without the concessions of the much reduced associate republic of Bohemia and Posen (which became the kingdom of poland after the Russo-German war) we wouldn't have the associate rebuplic vassal system (which as you know became the modern defence and customs union mittle europa) that dominates central Europe and without the protection of the German Empire I don't think all those little republics would survive Russian aggression, which means some 8 (Estonia, Latvia, Kurland, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Croatia and Slovenia) countries have a very unsure future
 
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This certainly butterflies away the Bohemians revolt and the Posen rebellion and without the concessions of the much reduced associate republic of Bohemia and Posen (which became the kingdom of poland after the Russo-German war) we wouldn't have the associate rebuplic vassal system (which as you know became the modern defence and customs union mittle europa) that dominates central Europe and without the protection of the German Empire I don't think all those little republics would survive Russian aggression, which means some 8 (Estonia, Latvia, Kurland, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Croatia and Slovenia) countries have a very unsure future
Yea, the Russian Empire is one of the biggest threats to the Germans as it's reactionary government despises the liberal Mitteleuropans and has formed an alliance with the nationalists in France against the Anglo-German-American bloc.
 
Well, the rise of a southward facing Hungary and Franco-British interest in securing stability and retaining some semblance of the balance of power in southeastern Europe, rather than seeing it fall into Russian hands, was certainly a boon for the Ottoman Empire. Without Western gurnatees of her territorial integrity, the 2nd Crimean War of 1877 could have ended in utter disaster and the Turks wouldn't have gotten the breathing space they needed to push through Abdul Hamid "The Sultan-Liberator"'s much needed modernizing and economic reforms. Russia could have ended up ruling the entire Balkan region under her ruthless Czarist system, rather than the religiously pluralistic model we see today. Can you imagine Muslims and Christians at each others throats with modern weapons?
 
Yea, the Russian Empire is one of the biggest threats to the Germans as it's reactionary government despises the liberal Mitteleuropans and has formed an alliance with the nationalists in France against the Anglo-German-American bloc.
And tensions are running quite high with the Danes, the Dutch, the Swiss and the Wallonians all flirting with various levels ME membership and the western Ukraine has been full of unrest ever since the Russo-German war (the Ruthenians got a taste of what rights other Europeans have under the "leadership" (position is more of a symbolic one these days) of the Kaiser while their territory was occupied and found their emperor wanting.
 
Well, the rise of a southward facing Hungary and Franco-British interest in securing stability and retaining some semblance of the balance of power in southeastern Europe, rather than seeing it fall into Russian hands, was certainly a boon for the Ottoman Empire. Without Western gurnatees of her territorial integrity, the 2nd Crimean War of 1877 could have ended in utter disaster and the Turks wouldn't have gotten the breathing space they needed to push through Abdul Hamid "The Sultan-Liberator"'s much needed modernizing and economic reforms. Russia could have ended up ruling the entire Balkan region under her ruthless Czarist system, rather than the religiously pluralistic model we see today. Can you imagine Muslims and Christians at each others throats with modern weapons?
Hungary's southward ambitions are limited by the leash the Germans have them on and it would be foolish to be too overt in moving against German interests, The phrase "All Fear the Heer" didn't come from nowhere
 
Hungary's southward ambitions are limited by the leash the Germans have them on and it would be foolish to be too overt in moving against German interests, The phrase "All Fear the Heer" didn't come from nowhere

My apologies, I should have been more clear; I was referring to the roll the Magyar Republic/ Hungary played in co-ooeration with the Ottomans surpress the Orthodox fanaticism and hypernationalism of the Free Serbska/Black Hand movement and the eventual Magyarization/Islamization of that once-troubled region. Not its attempts to break out of the German sphere during the 1940s
 
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My apologies, I should have been more clear; I was referring to the roll the Magyar Republic/ Hungary played in co-ooeration with the Ottomans surpress the Orthodox fanaticism and hypernationalism of the Free Serbska/Black Hand movement and the eventual Magyarization/Islamization of that once-troubled region. Not its attempts to break out of the German sphere during the 1940s
Thanks for clarifying, I get a little tunnel visioned when I think the discussion his heading in the direction of the Transylvanian incident (it's the main reason Romania refuses to join the ME even to this day)
The Germans gave Europe a bloody reminder that year that they have have cast off Prussian political conservatism but they are still very Prussian in how they treat ME members who step out of line and the high level of Autonomy they forced the Hungarians to give to Transylvania is a point of tension to this day.

And indeed the south slavs were a troublesome lot but now that they are firmly settled into muslim Bosnians (turkish influence), Catholic Croats (German influence) and orthodox Bulgars (Russian influence) things have settled down, some say the ethnic and religious transfers were a mistake but imo the clear borders saved the region a lot of strife.
 
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Franco-German relations might have turned out better than OTL at some point eventually. Right now it's kinda reminds me of the Balkans.

Even now the French are still paranoid that Germany will be going after their land one day.
 
So, how bad do you think are the reactionaries in Russia who have formed an alliance with the French and are backing a rump Qing Empire as a bulwark against the Republic of China, one of the main German allies in Asia?
 

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IIRC, there was a chance to avoid this. Otto Von Bismarck, if put in any role of power, might have averted it. This is because he hated Catholics, and Austria is majority Catholic, even among most of the non German speakers..
 
To me it was as inevitable as the union of England and Sweden - actually probably more so. I mean, they both spoke German before the union, whereas the Swenglish language is basically an artificial construction from the 19th century, and even now not everyone speaks it.
 
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