DBWI:And if there was a Second American Civil War ? .

As we all know the Second American Civil War took place because of the extreme President Barry Goldwater political elected in 1964 , lasted from 1969 to 1977, the President Goldwater eventually died in the attack made ​​by the forces of New York , California and Ohio to Washington DC , which He destroyed the White House,after that the US Southern separated and formed their own republic, and today South Republic and the US has relations tensas.Mas And if the Second Civil War had not happened ? , what would you change ? .
 

shiftygiant

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You'd have to go early and nip Goldwater in the bud; not outright kill, like some people have suggested, but you could easily avert his '64 Victory by having Roosevelt win over Willkie in '40; with a President Roosevelt and a New Deal dragging on through most the forties (I suspect Roosevelt would run for a fourth term, given how he only died in 1949), this could mothball away the seeds that were sowed and led to Goldwater's Victory.
 
It didn't help matters that this was wracked by a series of political and economic disasters seen since the Reconstruction Era. First, you had the deployment of troops across the globe, from the civil war torn France, troops along the borders of South Korea and South Vietnam, Egyptian and Syria troops laying siege to Israel, and even troops in Brazil to Bolivia against communist insurgents led by Che Guevara.

As Hunter S. Thompson put it, "The problem was America was suffering an ideological break similar to the Sino-Soviet War, except instead of two warring states, you had two (or three, if you counted George Wallace) fighting within the boundaries of the country, each claiming divine leadership from the Founding Fathers...."
 
It didn't help matters that this was wracked by a series of political and economic disasters seen since the Reconstruction Era. First, you had the deployment of troops across the globe, from the civil war torn France, troops along the borders of South Korea and South Vietnam, Egyptian and Syria troops laying siege to Israel, and even troops in Brazil to Bolivia against communist insurgents led by Che Guevara.

As Hunter S. Thompson put it, "The problem was America was suffering an ideological break similar to the Sino-Soviet War, except instead of two warring states, you had two (or three, if you counted George Wallace) fighting within the boundaries of the country, each claiming divine leadership from the Founding Fathers...."

I always wondered if New Deal of Franklin Roosevelt's policies would work , you would not be so good as well .


As the President Willkie yes it was a bad ruler , most likely he was responsible for the rise of Dixiecrats in the 1950s with Goldwater and Wallace as its main leaders , I wonder if we would have an equivalent of the Cold War between Nazi Germany , the USSR and the Empire of Japan if the US had not collapsed ... .
 
I always wondered if New Deal of Franklin Roosevelt's policies would work , you would not be so good as well .


As the President Willkie yes it was a bad ruler , most likely he was responsible for the rise of Dixiecrats in the 1950s with Goldwater and Wallace as its main leaders , I wonder if we would have an equivalent of the Cold War between Nazi Germany , the USSR and the Empire of Japan if the US had not collapsed ... .

Well, it didn't help matters that Ayn Rand libertarian economic policies during Golwater Administration were seen as only enriching the corporate sector, and that Goldwater dismissed opposition as "socialist rabble"....

The Empire of Japan was already collapsing by c. 1954. Consider the many nationalist uprisings from Ho Chi Minh, Lin Biao, Sukarno, and Ferdinand Marcos that defined the 1960s for Japan. People forget that between the 2/3 of the male population killed off or badly injured in the meat grinder that was Asia, and the spread of plagues caused by the "experiments" in China, Japan was on the verge of collapse from the start.

The Nazis committed their own self-inflicted woulds with their Cultural Revolution. Between the constant fighting against Trotsky's Soviet forces, and the purges that killed off 1/3 of the population for ideological purity, Third Reich officials placed another nail on the tomb...
 
Well, it didn't help matters that Ayn Rand libertarian economic policies during Golwater Administration were seen as only enriching the corporate sector, and that Goldwater dismissed opposition as "socialist rabble"....

The Empire of Japan was already collapsing by c. 1954. Consider the many nationalist uprisings from Ho Chi Minh, Lin Biao, Sukarno, and Ferdinand Marcos that defined the 1960s for Japan. People forget that between the 2/3 of the male population killed off or badly injured in the meat grinder that was Asia, and the spread of plagues caused by the "experiments" in China, Japan was on the verge of collapse from the start.

The Nazis committed their own self-inflicted woulds with their Cultural Revolution. Between the constant fighting against Trotsky's Soviet forces, and the purges that killed off 1/3 of the population for ideological purity, Third Reich officials placed another nail on the tomb...

Yes I read about the Succession Crisis Hitler 1958 in a book written by author Ted Kennedy , his death took everyone by surprise and as he had no children , there was an internal fight between his supporters ... in the end Himmler became the new Fuhrer , despite Nazi Germany the Cultural Revolution only collapsed in 1988 ... .
 
Yes I read about the Succession Crisis Hitler 1958 in a book written by author Ted Kennedy , his death took everyone by surprise and as he had no children , there was an internal fight between his supporters ... in the end Himmler became the new Fuhrer , despite Nazi Germany the Cultural Revolution only collapsed in 1988 ... .

And while Germany is certainly a world power, consider the amount of poverty and famine that still exists in the Third Reich today. It is often joked about across the Western Hemisphere about the number of German mail-order brides that have exploded onto the scene since the 1990s...
 
The Third Reich pretends to be a world power, but in all honesty there's little underneath the veneer of Volkish pomp and propaganda. Its economy is propped up by little more than coolies working in slave-like conditions in factories for outsourcing US corporations. The Fuhrer Pfadmann's Gestapo buddies may be buying up London's prime real estate, but they're doing so in fear of the constant political infighting back home.

OOC: Third Reich = Putin's Russia??
 
The Third Reich pretends to be a world power, but in all honesty there's little underneath the veneer of Volkish pomp and propaganda. Its economy is propped up by little more than coolies working in slave-like conditions in factories for outsourcing US corporations. The Fuhrer Pfadmann's Gestapo buddies may be buying up London's prime real estate, but they're doing so in fear of the constant political infighting back home.

OOC: Third Reich = Putin's Russia??

OOC: Pretty Much!! Also consider that Japan would be suffering a lot worse considering how many wars or "nationalist uprisings" it would have to deal with....
 
OOC: what a depressing world. All of Eurasia hasn't been this screwed since the Mongol invasions, and in many areas are in much worse shape. Presumably, Latin America is ruled by sunglass-and-fancy-uniform-wearing generals and Africa is a giant Belgian Congo. :eek: Historians will view this world as truly the Dark Ages.
 
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