DBWI Americans win the Mexican-American War

I realize this is considered ASB, but a combination of improved American leadership and nerfing the Mexican leadership could do it. What would have been the effects?
 
You'd need to go back to the Articles of Confederation and replace it with a more centralized constitution. As it was the Mexican-American war was practically just a second Texan war which Texas only barely scraped by the first time.
 

Gian

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Well, had the U.S. won, they certainly might have kept the Oregon Country instead of being forced to cede the southern portion* as well as claims to the northern half to Mexico after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. To this day, southern B.C. is still a sore spot between Ottawa and Mexico City.

(*OOC: the parts of the region south of the 49th parrallel).
 
Well, had the U.S. won, they certainly might have kept the Oregon Country instead of being forced to cede the southern portion* as well as claims to the northern half to Mexico after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. To this day, southern B.C. is still a sore spot between Ottawa and Mexico City.
Don't forget the US still being a united nation as the North was not happy about their boys dying with no gain to satisfy the interests of some planters in the South. This led to Garrison's idea of "No Union with Slaveholders" becoming a popular one amongst Northerners, which led to the secession of the Federation of Columbia consisting of all the Free States. The result was a predictable Northern/rebel victory due to the North's industrial base.
 
Don't forget the US still being a united nation as the North was not happy about their boys dying with no gain to satisfy the interests of some planters in the South. This led to Garrison's idea of "No Union with Slaveholders" becoming a popular one amongst Northerners, which led to the secession of the Federation of Columbia consisting of all the Free States. The result was a predictable Northern/rebel victory due to the North's industrial base.
Plus, the Centralist Republic formed by President Polk led to a number of other particularist rebellions across the United States, such as the Yankee Republic and Zachary Taylor's Rebellion of 1835. If only the United States could have had the capable, middle-ground leadership of Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.
 
Anyways, your thoughts on how republicanism was discredited in Europe for a generation or even more by what was happening in America? Even today, Germany, France, Italy, and Russia are all constitutional monarchies.
 
Anyways, your thoughts on how republicanism was discredited in Europe for a generation or even more by what was happening in America? Even today, Germany, France, Italy, and Russia are all constitutional monarchies.
Was America a republic? I thought it was more of an Oligarchy than a Republic. Andrew Jackson losing the election should have been the red flag for Republicans everywhere. Some shady shit right there.


Plus, the Centralist Republic formed by President Polk led to a number of other particularist rebellions across the United States, such as the Yankee Republic and Zachary Taylor's Rebellion of 1835.
Makes you wonder why they even declare war on Mexico in the first place. They were fighting amongst themselves before, during and after the war.

If only the United States could have had the capable, middle-ground leadership of Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.
I doubt it. Name a single American General that could defeat the Napoleon of the West? The Battle of Buena Vista and Veracruz are Examples of this. Santa Anna by all accounts should have lost those battles yet he won them anyway.
 
Pretty sure it was an oligarchy. America never really managed to shake off its anti-competitive culture until the mid-twentieth century.
 
One of these reasons is that the USA never get any friendly relation with other great power, (British hate them because of the manifest destiny, Slavery, territorial claims,... Spanish (it's pretty obvious), they could have the help of the French but they never tried and French still remembers about the quasi-war).

In the opposite, the Mexican get the help of the British then French to modernize their industry, army, and navy, If I remember correctly.

With better relation between USA and British, the British will not help the Mexican and the French will not try to intervene without a British agreement (Napoleon III first and most important policy was to get friendly relation with the British)


Any thoughts on this?

It's true that it made Republicanism unpopular, if you look closely the two important model of Republic was France and the USA, and it's not two great models of Republic, but even if USA defeat helped the monarchy cause, since this defeat and the USA behavior exposed the weakness of a republic, lack of stability, lack of a common symbol, lack of unity, lack of dynastic link, etc. I don't think that it could change too much the European continent, Europe was never truly interested in the USA, however, it could happen as an indirect cause.

However, if the USA win their third war against the Mexican, the French empire would be discredited, Napoleon III that was not in the peak of his form and trusted his advisors he could have listened the bellicists (that were not interested in foreign adventure but wanted to dominate Europe) that wanted to push a war against Prussia instead to focus on the foreign adventure (the victory of Mexico and their opening to the French market discredit them but they were really powerful in this period) it could lead to an earlier unification because the other Germans prince would surely come to help Prussia and then with two huge defeat and since the Second Empire was still recent and fragile in this period, maybe he could be overthrown and it would lead to a republic (or France would be ruled by Orléans), then with few events we could have one or two other republics in Europe but not too much.
 
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Dolan

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If USA won the Mexican-American war, the debacle that is disintegration of USA might never happened.

But then, the Black Kingdom of New Benin (formerly Louisiana, Missisipi, and Southern Arkansas) and will never come into existence because stronger USA will be capable to crush the Slave Rebellion led by Henry Flipper, who come to be better known as King Henry I of the Flipper Dynasty

Without the New Benin's Existence, the issue of Slavery might end up dragging for too long.
 
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