DBWI: Allied Victory

What if the Eastern Hemisphere wasn't split up by the Germans and Japanese as a result of World War II, launching the three-way Cold War between the Germans, the Japanese, and the Americans? What if Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and Hitler was perhaps less prepared for the Soviet winter and mud season?
 

BigBlueBox

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I think you’re forgetting that Britain is still independent and outside Germany’s sphere of influence. It may be a shadow of its former self, but at least it is not under the German boot.
 
It is an American puppet

"Puppet" is a VERY strong term. I mean yes, London's debts to Washington are truely mind-boggling at this point, to the degree that its actually fascinating to study its impact on the broader global economy (The fact that British bond bills have essentially become de-facto currency in several Latin American counteries who can't afford to stock up on US dollars directly, among other things) but its hardly the same as German's Reichcomissariate system.
 

Dolan

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To make Second World War end up with Allied Victory, you need to butterfly the Japan-American Alliance of 1900-1950's which end up forcing USA to become effectively neutral party while aiding both Britain and Japanese at the very same time. USA loathe the Nazi Germany, but their long alliance with Japanese, which in turn allied to Germany, caused them to hold their noses and becoming neutral.

And let's not forget that Americans gain most of the bloodless victory in the World War 2, the way USA strong arming Britain and Dutch to basically hand them East Indies is one of them. British Malaya and Dutch East Indies are known to be eyed by Japanese, so relinguishing the ownership to USA in theory would protect British-Dutch interests there, but in turn, US just turned them into yet another colony in spirit of the Philiphines.

Not that was a bad thing for the long run though, US administration of the South East Asian colonies give them independence in all but name and foreign policy, all while opening their considerable market to US goods, while Japan still focusing on digesting China by forcing a dynastic change.

The South East Asia is now basically Tropical version of USA, while East Asia under Yamato Dynasty is still bloodbath of Japanese boots against Chinese rebels.
 

BigBlueBox

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"Puppet" is a VERY strong term. I mean yes, London's debts to Washington are truely mind-boggling at this point, to the degree that its actually fascinating to study its impact on the broader global economy (The fact that British bond bills have essentially become de-facto currency in several Latin American counteries who can't afford to stock up on US dollars directly, among other things) but its hardly the same as German's Reichcomissariate system.
I agree, satellite state might be the more accurate term.
 

Dolan

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I agree, satellite state might be the more accurate term.
And even that British Isles proper is already militarized husk of former British Empire de facto controlled directly by US Military.

The relocation of Queen Elizabeth II to Ottawa after the death of her father already caused many to joke about the Empire is no longer British Empire, but Canadian Empire.
Add that with the very facts that Royal Dominion are planned to be split with Prince Charles made Prince of Canada, Prince Edward made Prince of Australia, and Prince Andrew made Prince of New Zealand and British Pacific Isles, after the Queen's death, the Empire is already planned to split into three (thankfully fully functioning) Kingdoms held together by loose Commonwealth.

At least the rationale behind splitting into three Kingdoms are rather sound, Charles would de jure also being King of Old British Isles too, but their perilous location too close with Nazi regime (as well as constant low intensity skirmishes) made the British Isles unviable for being Capital, and Canada is practically dependent of US Protection anyway. Australia and New Zealand would receive the bulk of the still very large Royal Navy in attempt to help US contain Japanese Empire. The rest of the British colonies are already fallen or going independent.
 

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The Allies only lost because of Joseph Stalin. He was convinced that a Soviet invasion of German-occupied Poland would be able to quickly encircle the Germans in Prussia. What he unfortunately didn't realize is that the Germans were planning to invade the Soviet Union only two months later, in June 1941, and had over 3 million soldiers prepared for the invasion.

So when the Soviets invaded in April, over a hundred divisions were cut off and encircled. It was not the Battle of France, not the Battle of Singapore, but rather, The Battles of Warsaw and Battle of Olsztyn/Allenstein that sealed the fate of the Second World War.

Apparently the rest of the Soviet high command was against the pre-emptive invasion. Stalin's monolithic autocratic control of the state, however, overruled more rational actors such as Zhukov. If Stalin doesn't have such unilateral power, or somehow listens to his generals, then the Soviets would have survived the war.
 
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I agree, satellite state might be the more accurate term.

And even that British Isles proper is already militarized husk of former British Empire de facto controlled directly by US Military.

The relocation of Queen Elizabeth II to Ottawa after the death of her father already caused many to joke about the Empire is no longer British Empire, but Canadian Empire.
Add that with the very facts that Royal Dominion are planned to be split with Prince Charles made Prince of Canada, Prince Edward made Prince of Australia, and Prince Andrew made Prince of New Zealand and British Pacific Isles, after the Queen's death, the Empire is already planned to split into three (thankfully fully functioning) Kingdoms held together by loose Commonwealth.

At least the rationale behind splitting into three Kingdoms are rather sound, Charles would de jure also being King of Old British Isles too, but their perilous location too close with Nazi regime (as well as constant low intensity skirmishes) made the British Isles unviable for being Capital, and Canada is practically dependent of US Protection anyway. Australia and New Zealand would receive the bulk of the still very large Royal Navy in attempt to help US contain Japanese Empire. The rest of the British colonies are already fallen or going independent.

Hey, all those choices were made by the British government of their own accord (I mean yes, they were under duress by you can hardly pin that on the U.S. That's on the German's hands, with Roosevelt's reluctance and insistence on a handful of initial concessions to the controlled dismantling of the colonial Empires and access to the Imperial market coming from the need of American industry for the raw materials for the equipment the British military ITSELF was asking for and to placate popular fears that blatent favoratism to Empire-Builders and Commies; two groups the American people already broadly disliked, would draw the nation into direct conflict with the Anti-Comintern). The leases on the air and naval bases in southern and western England (Which the British don't want to pay the cost of maintenance on or for the nessicery ships and planes to fill them) were done to help service their bonds. Its also done wonders for the helping pull the Isles' economy out of the muck the Royal regieme put them in when they evacuated their island and threw the citizenry into a panic as well as the lose of the traditional trade with the Continent: your average East Anglian actually has a HIGHER income than your average Canadian at this point.

Britain can end the leases during any of the 10-year renegotating periods, provided she's willing to re-locate the Royal Navy across the ocean and accept she'll no longer be receiving the generous payments and will have to start paying for their petrol and other strategically sensative imports at the actual value of the Pound Sterling on the international market, rather than retaining their "strategic partner" exemption that aligns its value to the U.S dollar.
 

Dolan

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Its also done wonders for the helping pull the Isles' economy out of the muck the Royal regieme put them in when they evacuated their island and threw the citizenry into a panic as well as the lose of the traditional trade with the Continent: your average East Anglian actually has a HIGHER income than your average Canadian at this point.

Britain can end the leases during any of the 10-year renegotating periods, provided she's willing to re-locate the Royal Navy across the ocean and accept she'll no longer be receiving the generous payments and will have to start paying for their petrol and other strategically sensative imports at the actual value of the Pound Sterling on the international market, rather than retaining their "strategic partner" exemption that aligns its value to the U.S dollar.
Yeah sure, but 40++ years of "Royal Abandonment" and de facto American administration has done wonders to "loyalty" of Old Britain".

In Ireland, Scotland, and Wales the previously small and insignificant independence movement grew stronger, and even some proper Englishmen started to thinking about treasons by advocating Republicanism instead of maintaining loyalty to the Monarchy. And let's say the other 'not-so-insignificant' movements who aim to integrate Old British Isles for admission into United States, citing shared language and the fact that the military administration is already american.

If things going as the current prediction goes, those who left from once mighty British Empire would be just Kingdom of Canada, Kingdom of Australia, and Kingdom of New Zealand. With Ireland, Scotland, Wales, South England, and North England joining United States instead.


In a world with Allied victory, or US outright fight against Nazi Germany from early on, British Isles would stay firmly as the heart of the British Empire, but if the US-backed independence movements still goes, ironically it could be the only thing left due to Canada, Australia, and New Zealand going independent instead of having Carolingian-style splitting.

And maybe Reichskommissariat Francia would be still a great power known as France, instead of being Western marches of GrossDeutschland Reich.
 
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