DBWI: Allied victory in World War I

Germany and her allies' victory in World War I was one of the most important events of the 20th century. What if Germany loses the war? What if the Allies manage to win instead?

I've heard that maybe if America is drawn into the war the Allies could've won, but I find it unlikely given Wilson's isolationism. Perhaps the offensive of 1918 is a total failure?

How would a world like that look? Could the socialist revolutions of France and Britain be avoided? What would've happened to Germany?
 
If Teddy Roosevelt won the 1912 election, there was always the possibility he would join on the side of the allies. The US could join over the 195 Lusitania incident. This could really give French and British troops a real boost in their Somme offensives and would help Russia out too.
 
I think you mean what if the Entente wins.
I think that the US would have to join, but I don't see that happening. The US populace would have to want war to pressure Wilson, and the US would gain more economically if it stayed out of war, at least theoretically.
I think since Germany stayed strong throughout, the right thing would be to focus away from the Western front, which would be political suicide for them.
 
If Teddy Roosevelt won the 1912 election, there was always the possibility he would join on the side of the allies. The US could join over the 195 Lusitania incident. This could really give French and British troops a real boost in their Somme offensives and would help Russia out too.
Would he convince the country to follow him though?
 
I think you mean what if the Entente wins.
I think that the US would have to join, but I don't see that happening. The US populace would have to want war to pressure Wilson, and the US would gain more economically if it stayed out of war, at least theoretically.
I think since Germany stayed strong throughout, the right thing would be to focus away from the Western front, which would be political suicide for them.
What could, in theory, push the US to enter the war?
 
What could, in theory, push the US to enter the war?
Well the continuation of unrestricted sub warfare would likely irritate the government enough, but for the populace, I think to overcome isolationists and German/Irish Americans, there would have to be something very blatant, like trying to get Mexico to attack the US. While German foreign policy was bad with the Agadir crisis, I can't imagine a fumble that stupid.
 
So let's say Germany looses. How bad would it be?
I imagine the Rhur would be split between France and Belgium, with some sort of Polish Republic taking Ostprussen, maybe merging with Lithuania and Belarus for a new commonwealth to resist the German and Russian resurgence better. Austria already broke apart otl, though I doubt Hungary would be allowed to keep its crownlands and remain a power in eastern Europe.
 
You mean where the ENTENTE, not the Allies, wins? The term "Allies" is only used by the American public because there was generally stronger pro-British and French sentiment than pro-German sentiment despite Wilson's isolationism. He was quietly funding them but anything short of direct American military intervention would've still resulted in a stalemate at best like IOTL. It was technically a military stalemate for both sides but a diplomatic victory for Germany because they got much more of what they wanted than anyone else. On a separate note, it would probably a much more liberal world if the Entente won the Great War, one where monarchies are mostly a thing of the past. Not to mention the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires would likely be dead and we wouldn't see them painfully limp along for several decades. Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states would most likely still be under Russian rule.
 
Would he convince the country to follow him though?
I mean, during the sinking of the Lusitania in 1915, there was a brief period of pro-war attitude in the US. That is before the Germans committed themselves to restrict unrestricted submarine warfare and exploiting Wilson's isolationism to keep the Americans out.
 
One thing Germany did that, while seemingly secondary in scope at the time, had major ripple effects: getting Sweden to join the Central Powers, enticed with a promise of territory in the form of the Grand Duchy of Finland. When that happened, not only were Irish-Americans (every major US metropolitan area) and German-Americans (similar albeit to a lesser degree, plus much of Texas) staunchly opposed to the war, but so were Swedish-Americans (Michigan's Upper Peninsula; Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, both Dakotas; Washington). A very significant, vocal fraction of the US population was opposed to joining the war from then on.
 
One thing Germany did that, while seemingly secondary in scope at the time, had major ripple effects: getting Sweden to join the Central Powers, enticed with a promise of territory in the form of the Grand Duchy of Finland.
And of course they were able to take more of the Baltic after the Estonian Revolution, taking Estonia and Latvia because of Germany being too occupied in China to deal with their client states
 
Would a German defeat affect the socialist revolutions in France and Britain?
Well, the New Levellers were weird. They were anti-capitalist, but believed in the divine right of kingship, or at least good old "He was born to rule, some good leadership qualities gotta be in there," so who knows. Maybe Britain would be a capitalist democracy instead of a Kingdom and Workers Union?

No idea about France
 
Would a German defeat affect the socialist revolutions in France and Britain?
It's unlikely either would happen if Germany had won, especially the British Revolution which was primarily caused by the economic collapse of the British economy due to the trade war with Germany and the cost of garrisoning troops in Ireland and India to fight German-backed rebellions.
 
Moving on to Russia. We all know that the current Russian Republic was on the verge of losing to the Reds. Would a German defeat affect that.
 
I think the Point of Divergence would be Roosevelt getting another term, knowing him, he would've looked through heaven and hell for a reason to fight the Germans. Roosevelt would send supplies to help the war machines of the UK and France. The German U-Boats were told to attack any Allied ships, but a ship carrying troops, including Archibald Roosevelt (Teddy's son) was sunk. Teddy went to Congress and the rest of the US with the fire of a thousand suns in his soul. He then read the famous "Remembrance and rage" speech, where the nation remembered all the loses, and swayed the heart of the nation, the US would go to war three days later.

Allied trenches were suddenly filled with American troops, and eventually German trenches were filled with corpses. Many important things happened during the "American Crusade" as it began to be called, African Americans were allowed to join the Military, Trench Buster cannons were built, and German POW created an anti-Democratic Manifesto that seeped into Europe. The latter event would be more important, because this German, Heinrich Himmler, would return to Berlin (with the help of Austrians) and toppled the Berlin government, the day would be called "The Fight of the Fascist", knocking them out of the war.

Austria-Hungary was invaded by Americans, Brits, and French troops. The Ottoman Empire decided not to risk it and switched sides and attacked from the south. Budapest was invaded, and Vienna surrendered. Germany became a nation wanting the destruction of Democracy, the Muslims, and Monarchism. Austria and Hungary were separated and became puppet states of the Allies. The Ottomans switching sides ended well for them, the keep all their lands and claim most of the middle east. Russia became Communist under the leadership of Leon Trotsky. Trotsky would gain other Communist countries to join in his "Eternal Revolution", which is invade Europe.

Fascist Germany (reluctantly) joins the Allies to stop the Communist threat. After the Allies dissolved the USSR, The US Ended the war finally in Communist China when with (I know it sounds a little ASB) a bomb capable of destroying the city of Beijing. Fascism would spread to the world with the fall of Communism. A non-violent war, the silent war, would rise between Capitalism and Fascism, eventually ending with the economically less gifted fascism, with a splintered Germany. The only remaining Fascist states would be South Korea, Japan, Argentina and Chile.

That is how I think it would be at least, sure the "Super bomb" sounds made up, but it could be built, there are real theories about it.
 
I mean, during the sinking of the Lusitania in 1915, there was a brief period of pro-war attitude in the US

Not really. There was an outburst of *grief*, but support for war was negligible. See Justus D Doenecke Nothing Less Than War, on the failed attempts to draw the US into the conflict.

But an Entente victory would be better on at least one point. The murder of more than 300,000 Jews in the Tsarist Holocaust would almost certainly have been avoided.
 
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