DBWI AHC screw Poland

Lower Saxony or Upper Saxony what is the difference? In any case it isn't clear that it will hold. Things are more disquieting than you want to admit.
How can you talk about German matters without even knowing the difference between upper and lower Saxony?
Lower Saxony is further north and speak low Saxon and related dialects, upper Saxony is in central Germany and speak middle German dialects
 
How can you talk about German matters without even knowing the difference between upper and lower Saxony?
Lower Saxony is further north and speak low Saxon and related dialects, upper Saxony is in central Germany and speak middle German dialects

Shrug, minor differences in the greater scheme of things. Germans might be able to tell the difference , almost no one else can.
 
Which is why I said almost.
At any rate North is has been stable for years and i dont see that coming to an end, the Kingdom of Saxony has support in almost all regions and with the upper Saxon circle as a reliable power base nothing short of an exhausting war is going to be able to deprive the kingdom of its more western possessions and given how dominate the North Sea alliance has been since it was founded with the Copenhagen accord I don't see anyone being able to push them to that point, not as long as it has the backing of Sweden and England.
 
It's worth remembering that the South German Confederation still technically contains in its constitution the right of any of its states (Baden, Wurttemberg, Bavaria, West Bohemia, Vorarlberg, Tirolia, Carinthia, Styria, Carniola, and the Austrias) to secede. Obviously, most of them probably won't do that except in drastic circumstances, but Baden and Bavaria have both been a bit restive recently - and Baden's getting arms and funding from Poland, we reckon. There's also the Hesse-Lorraine Union as another non-Saxon German state (well, partially at least).
 
You'd really have to have the Poles do something really, really stupid, maybe like getting an Elective Monarchy or something, and to add to it make it so that any single noble could veto anything the King wanted to do.

...nah, literally no one could be that stupid.
 
You'd really have to have the Poles do something really, really stupid, maybe like getting an Elective Monarchy or something, and to add to it make it so that any single noble could veto anything the King wanted to do.

...nah, literally no one could be that stupid.
Poland IS an elective monarchy. So are for example Czechia, Hungary, Sweden, various German states, Italy, Greece and Bulgaria... And as in case of Poland nobody notices it because of tradition of electing people from the ruling families.
 
Poland IS an elective monarchy. So are for example Czechia, Hungary, Sweden, various German states, Italy, Greece and Bulgaria... And as in case of Poland nobody notices it because of tradition of electing people from the ruling families.
Yeah, but the law states it has to be from the Royal Family. Contrast this with other elective monarchies, like, say, Scandinavia, where literal foreigners could be elected if foreign monarchs bribed the electors. Most monarchies today have this law in part because of what a hilarious failure the situation in Scandinavia was.
 
Yeah, but the law states it has to be from the Royal Family. Contrast this with other elective monarchies, like, say, Scandinavia, where literal foreigners could be elected if foreign monarchs bribed the electors. Most monarchies today have this law in part because of what a hilarious failure the situation in Scandinavia was.
Didn't they end up with some random French general at one point in the early 1800s?
 
It's worth remembering that the South German Confederation still technically contains in its constitution the right of any of its states (Baden, Wurttemberg, Bavaria, West Bohemia, Vorarlberg, Tirolia, Carinthia, Styria, Carniola, and the Austrias) to secede. Obviously, most of them probably won't do that except in drastic circumstances, but Baden and Bavaria have both been a bit restive recently - and Baden's getting arms and funding from Poland, we reckon. There's also the Hesse-Lorraine Union as another non-Saxon German state (well, partially at least).
I tend to avoid the topic of Hesse-Lorraine because of the associated flame wars, The Saxons do have a terrible habit of occupying hesse and administering it, Taxing it and issuing saxon passports to the inhabitants, who are still issued Hesse-Lorraine passports as well.
So yeah I know it doesn't help the situation considering it is technically an illegal occupation (there wasn't even a declaration of war) but I just prefer to avoid the topic.
 
The CSK is a paper Tiger, the southern slavs are constantly fighting each other, the non-slavic kingdoms are constantly looking for ways to break free and the Rus principalities never lift a finger to help in anything but defensive wars.
That's why they have been utterly embarrassed by Saxon led coalitions 3 times already. They won't do anything to stop Heinrich, they wouldn't be able to even if they tried.


No they don't but that has only led to discontent, Poland desperate to keep them onside has granted a ridiculous amount of privledges to the Germans in both Prussia and Silesia and while it may have worked it served to infuriate the slavs of the Commonwealth, particularly the th ones in the same regions as these Germans.
The southern slavs are fighting no less than 3 civil wars as we speak as they look to establish "ethnic borders" within the CSK and Rhomanians have been in open rebellion in CSK held Moldovia and Wallachia for 3 decades.
The Rus principalities have only benifitted from this as the Poles are already have a full plate.

Repeating Saxon propaganda are we? People in Commonwealth like arguing, that is the Slavic national sport. This is not some freaking France where everyone has to march in step or prepare for visit from the Security. These so called civil wars and rebellions are three dozen old partisans hiding in mountains and stealing a sheep from time to time or kidnapping some tourists for ransom. It's part of local folklor. There is a travel office organizing trips for dumb foreigners who want to come to Serbia to get kidnapped. They call it adventure. But the fact is that Saxons drive in Polish-designed and built cars to buy Polish-produced goods in Polish-owned supermarkets, despite the claim they "win" three wars...

And what wars these were! First the private undertaking of Ernest Wettin who wanted to win back his throne and gained some support from group of magnates and business barons; indeed it was a great embarassment (especially because Wettin lost) and heads of the major culprits literally rolled once the Sejm and King got news of what was going on. But the Commonwealth army had no part in this adventure despite Saxon claims to the contrary.

The second when Saxons backstabbed Poland during the Constantinople war and even won a couple battles against Silesian National Guard. Since the Commonwealth was busy fighting Turks and French back then, and didn't want the French armies being allowed to march through German states, they gave Saxons back the right bank Lusatia Poles took from them a decade before and the whole thing was over in like three weeks.

And the third one was result of Patna virus attacking GPS system and couple companies of conscripts from Silesian National Guard accidentally driving into Saxony and getting into shootout with couple companies of Saxon and Thuringian soldiers. Poles indeed lost that fight, though it was hardly a war, even if quite embarassing. Saxons government blown it out of proportion because of domestic political reasons.
 
Repeating Saxon propaganda are we? People in Commonwealth like arguing, that is the Slavic national sport. This is not some freaking France where everyone has to march in step or prepare for visit from the Security. These so called civil wars and rebellions are three dozen old partisans hiding in mountains and stealing a sheep from time to time or kidnapping some tourists for ransom. It's part of local folklor. There is a travel office organizing trips for dumb foreigners who want to come to Serbia to get kidnapped. They call it adventure. But the fact is that Saxons drive in Polish-designed and built cars to buy Polish-produced goods in Polish-owned supermarkets, despite the claim they "win" three wars...

And what wars these were! First the private undertaking of Ernest Wettin who wanted to win back his throne and gained some support from group of magnates and business barons; indeed it was a great embarassment (especially because Wettin lost) and heads of the major culprits literally rolled once the Sejm and King got news of what was going on. But the Commonwealth army had no part in this adventure despite Saxon claims to the contrary.

The second when Saxons backstabbed Poland during the Constantinople war and even won a couple battles against Silesian National Guard. Since the Commonwealth was busy fighting Turks and French back then, and didn't want the French armies being allowed to march through German states, they gave Saxons back the right bank Lusatia Poles took from them a decade before and the whole thing was over in like three weeks.

And the third one was result of Patna virus attacking GPS system and couple companies of conscripts from Silesian National Guard accidentally driving into Saxony and getting into shootout with couple companies of Saxon and Thuringian soldiers. Poles indeed lost that fight, though it was hardly a war, even if quite embarassing. Saxons government blown it out of proportion because of domestic political reasons.
Who's the one repeating propaganda? You forgot that the Slavic kingdom of Novgorod part of the CSK lost Karelia and the CSK had their major ally Denmark partitioned by The North Sea Alliance specifically because the English and the Saxons intervened on Sweden's behalf.
And what's all this about everything being Polish? The supermarket chain was started by a Rus oligarch, the Cars are designed by Czechs and only a portion of the goods are actually produced in Poland.
Your whole post stinks of Polish nationalist revisionism.
The only thing keeping your empire together is you shared hatred of the Islamic empire to the south
 
Who's the one repeating propaganda? You forgot that the Slavic kingdom of Novgorod part of the CSK lost Karelia and the CSK had their major ally Denmark partitioned by The North Sea Alliance specifically because the English and the Saxons intervened on Sweden's behalf.
And what's all this about everything being Polish? The supermarket chain was started by a Rus oligarch, the Cars are designed by Czechs and only a portion of the goods are actually produced in Poland.
Your whole post stinks of Polish nationalist revisionism.
The only thing keeping your empire together is you shared hatred of the Islamic empire to the south
At least it got together in the first place unlike the Germans.:cool:
 

ATP45

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Well, that would require a unified Germany and a non-Polish Russia for a start, so there'd need to be something before that. Maybe another massive steppe migration event, such as the Tatars or some other Central Asian group heading west at a bad moment for Poland, might do the trick?
After death of First Polish King,Bolesław Chrobry,His son Mieszko 2 state was attacked by germans,russians,Czechs and even Danes.State practically ceased to exist,but after local pagans take over,germans re - installed Polish ruler in 1039.But what if they did not? You get small pagan state,which would be anexed by germans 100 years later.Just like was annexed pagans states of Western slaves.
 

ATP45

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And Lithuania too!
Screw both Poland and Lithuania - In OTL Moscov attack Lituania and take Smolensk from them,thanks to siege gun and specialists providev by Habsburgs.They would probably attack Poland,But in Orsza battle moscov army was anihilated by Poland levies.If Poland leviest was anihilated,then Habsburg would attack and we will have partition of Poland in 1514.
 
META: I dislike how every DBWI thread turns into a role playing thread.
I like to imagine what AH.com would be like if actual WIs were treated like DBWIs:

So as we all know, Napoleon Bonaparte was a Corsican-born Frenchmen who would lead French armies and eventually take over the French Republic and turn it into the French Empire. He had huge success at first, but eventually failed in a war against Russia and was exiled. So what if Napoleon had never been born, or had never gone into the military?

Maybe it would have prevented the creation of GLORIOUS ITALY, which as we all know was inspired by his revolution.

Speaking as a Croatian, Italy's not all that glorious. It pales in comparison to the German Republic, which as we all know was created out of the ashes of two Great Wars.

Ha! You are merely spouting Pro-Croation propaganda, Italy is a perfect country that will never be broken! As we all know they have won many soccer championships!

I wonder if this would have butterflied the creation of a Communist State in China, which as we all know still exists....

I visit Italy a lot. It has very nice beaches. The other day my grandfather was telling me that he was worried about the results of the recent British election, and wonders how it will affect Italy. As well all know, these demagogues can be dangerous....
 
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