DBWI AHC make the three "Star Wars" prequels worse movies than the original trilogy

Maybe a way they could have actually been bad movies would be to maybe isolate Lucas somehow and make him unawares of pop culture trends so he would be more willing to see younger audiences as only caring for spectacle. I know working on the Shadows of the Empire mini series was seen as the turning point but it goes earlier than that as I recall Harmony Gold brought him up for ideas regarding the Sentinals occasionally and he was co-producer for that fantasy series Chronicles of the Seven Shards. But somehow isolate him and have him crawl into a hole....

But that would be ASB because there is no way he would not get involved in sci fi.
 
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You'd probably have to get rid of Jar Jar, or at least change her beyond recognition. Definitely one of the best, complex, and tragic characters in the trilogy.
If he had been revealed as the Sith Overlord in the end that would have been awesome despite this Internet theoey is largely loathed.
 
What if there had been a "forbidden love" aspect, with the Jedi not marrying because they are monks? I know it would make absolutely no sense since Force ability has been stated since ANH to be inherited, but we're aiming for badness here.

Also, it would have removed what I thought was the most emotional scene of Revenge of the Sith -- Obi-Wan falling to his knees in grief as he watches the surveillance feed of Anakin, now Darth Vader, murdering Obi-Wan's wife and children.
 
What if there had been a "forbidden love" aspect, with the Jedi not marrying because they are monks? I know it would make absolutely no sense since Force ability has been stated since ANH to be inherited, but we're aiming for badness here.

Also, it would have removed what I thought was the most emotional scene of Revenge of the Sith -- Obi-Wan falling to his knees in grief as he watches the surveillance feed of Anakin, now Darth Vader, murdering Obi-Wan's wife and children.

While Siri's death was sad, forbidden love alone won't be problematic, since one of the themes is that the Jedi brought their own fall and played into Sidious manipulations and if it is used to portray the Jedi as flawed or not seeing love as a source of strength it could work out....

I know KOTOR pulled off the forbidden love aspect with Revan and Bastila well in that romance route, even through it was more due to Revan's dark side nature over the Jedi Code specifically forbidding relationships and the player having to either prove Bastila wrong as a lightsider or further tempt her.

I think if we're aiming for badness could be to make the Separatists completly evil, but try to argue they were grey characters. The movies show clearly that the Separatists had good intentions and introduced the sympathetic Separatist Parliament and characters such as the Bonteris(OOC: Lux and his mother) were introduced in the film, but were co-opted by Dooku/"False Sidious"/Darth Tyrannus, Nute Gunray and the corporate alliance. But what if there was no Separatist council in the films and we just get the evil characters, it would really hurt the "heroes on both sides" argument if all we see of it is in FOTR series or the EU and we only see the villainous ones onscreen.
 
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While Siri's death was sad, forbidden love alone won't be problematic, since one of the themes is that the Jedi brought their own fall and played into Sidious manipulations and if it is used to portray the Jedi as flawed or not seeing love as a source of strength it could work out....

I know KOTOR pulled off the forbidden love aspect with Revan and Bastila well in that romance route, even through it was more due to Revan's dark side nature over the Jedi Code specifically forbidding relationships and the player having to either prove Bastila wrong as a lightsider or further tempt her.

I think if we're aiming for badness could be to make the Separatists completely evil, but try to argue they were grey characters. The movies show clearly that the Separatists had good intentions and introduced the sympathetic Separatist Parliament and characters such as the Bonteris(OOC: Lux and his mother) were introduced in the film, but were co-opted by Dooku/"False Sidious"/Darth Tyrannus, Nute Gunray and the corporate alliance. But what if there was no Separatist council in the films and we just get the evil characters, it would really hurt the "heroes on both sides" argument if all we see of it is in FOTR series or the EU and we only see the villainous ones onscreen.

I agree, the scene in Episode 1 with Obi-Wan and Turgu desperately trying to convince Jedi Masters that the Sith still exist, and just being dismissed out of hand as wild conspiracy theorists, really set the stage. Obi-Wan's griping about Yoda, and Yoda's scolding Obi-Wan later about learning to play politics, show how the Jedi have become infected with the Senate's cynicism, corruption and rot.

The Separatists wanting to restore what the Republic once was, and only reluctantly dealing with the Sith to have Force users who can counter the Jedi, was a good idea. Frankly, other than Obi-Wan, Turgu, Padme and Bail Organa the Republic seems like it deserves to fall. Hell, they turn to an army of brainwashed clones in Episode 2 after their army is bribed to lose in Episode 1.

Incidentally, Turgu the Hutt was a great idea. The scene where he puts Padme in her place about her Outer Rim prejudices "All Hutts are crooks? Is this like how all Bothans are spies, and all Humans are politicians?" was both funny and had a real-world point, like the best humor does.
 
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The horror, the horror: imagine Jar-Jar with Hitler / Chaplin mustache.

OOC:

I’m sorry, but missa don’t wanna be a emperor. That’s no missa business. Missa don’t wanna rule or conquer thesa. Missa should likein to help everyone - if possible - Naboo, Gungan- Wookie - Hutt. Weesa all wanna help one another. People is likein da. Weesa wanna live by each other’s happiness - no by each other’s misery. Weesa don’t wanna hata and despise one another. In dis biiig Galaxy der is room for everyone. And da bombad Galaxy is rich and ganna provide for everyone. Da way of life ganna be free and beautiful,but weesa has nocomebackie da way.

Gre has poison men’s souls, has barricad da Galaxy with hata, has goose-stepp us into misery and bloodshed. Weesa has develop spe ,but weesa has shut ourselves in. Machinery da gives abundance has left us in wanna. Weesa knowledge has made us cynical. Weesa cleverness, hard and unkind. Weesa thinkin too much and feel too litta bitty. More than machinery weesa ne humanity. More than cleverness weesa ne kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities,life ganna be violent and all ganna be nocomebackie.

Da hyperdrive and da hyperwave has bringa us closer together. Da very very nature of these inventions cries out for da goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for da unity of us all. Even now missa voice is reach millions throughout da Galaxy - millions of despairing men, women, and litta bitty children - victims of a system da makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

To thesa who ganna hear missa, missa sayin - no despair. Da misery da is now upon us is but da pass of gre - da bitterness of men who fear da way of progress. Da hata of men ganna pass, and dictators die, and da power thesa took from da people ganna return toda people. And so longo as men die, liberty ganna never perish...

Soldiers! Don’t give yousaselves to brutes - men who despise yousa - enslave yousa - who regiment yousa lives - taleo yousa what do - what think and what to feel! Who drill yousa - diet yousa - treat yousa likein nerfs, use yousa as cannon fodder. Don’t give yousaselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! Yousa no machines! Yousa no nerfs! Yousa men! Yousa has da lovein of life in yousa hearts! Yousa don’t hata! Onda unlov hata - da unlov and da unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!

Nda teachings of da Jedi isa written: “da force isa a energy field creat by all liv things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds da whole galaxy together." - no one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In yousa! Yousa, da people has da power - da power to creata machines. Da power to creata happiness! Yousa, da people, has da power to make dis life free and beautiful, to make dis life a bombad adventure.

Then - inda name of democracy - let us use da power - let us all unita. Let us fight for a new Galaxy - a decent Galaxy da ganna give men a chance to jobbin - da ganna give youth a future and old age a security. By da promise of these things,brutes has risen to power. But thesa lie! Thesa no fulfil da promise. Thesa never ganna!

Dictators free themselves but thesa enslave da people! Now let us fight to fulfil da promise! Let us fight to free da galaxy - do away with barriers - do away with gre, with hata and intolerance. Let us fight for a Galaxy of reason,a Galaxy wherea science and progress ganna lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! I nda name of democracy,let us all unita!
 
Most of the points have already been brought up here, but I would also like to say that making the Sith seem like 2 dimensional villains would also make it look really awful as well. I like how there was an interesting contrast between the Sith and Jedi teachings to make it look like both had their positives and negatives, instead of outright going "They wear black and use red lightsabers so that means they're evil". I guess that's what Lucas wanted to fix when he showed Palpatine and Vader in the Original Trilogy as he did say he wanted to show that there were both "heroes and villains" on both sides.

For bonus points, during the Mace Windu vs Palpatine fight, you could have Palpatine scream something stupid, like "UNLIMITED POWER!" in the middle of the fight, like some cliched evil wizard.

Unrelated, but anyone here got Empire at War 2: Republic at War? (ooc: this as an actual game) I'm looking to find some players for multiplayer and it's on sale ATM. PM me if you wanna play.
 
It's almost ASB make the prequels awful, The Jar jar arch, the Palpatine/Sidious twist, the depth and character development in both Jedi and Separatists are some of the key elements that made the movies a new classic, He's called "The New Isaac Asimov" because his influence had transformed the Sci-fi settings twice (in both Trilogies).

But... Unknown talent-less actors and a egocentric deluded George could have ruined it. George decided to trust some of the must promising writers to help him and he succeded, I can´t imagine episode II not being directed by Joss Wheadon or JJ Abrams co-writing episode III. He also trusted his long time friends advice, and made Francis Ford Coppola direct the Revenge of the Sith and Spielberg the Phantom menace.

Star wars has always been a team-work that balanced each other and gave us a true masterpiece in modern sci-fi. Even the New Star trek series: Insurgency has borrowed many subplots and visual style. Therefore if George somehow ignored all the tendencies of the 90's and decided alone to dumb down the story for easy sales, we'd definitely get terrible movies.
 

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OOC:

I’m sorry, but missa don’t wanna be a emperor. That’s no missa business. Missa don’t wanna rule or conquer thesa. Missa should likein to help everyone - if possible - Naboo, Gungan- Wookie - Hutt. Weesa all wanna help one another. People is likein da. Weesa wanna live by each other’s happiness - no by each other’s misery. Weesa don’t wanna hata and despise one another. In dis biiig Galaxy der is room for everyone. And da bombad Galaxy is rich and ganna provide for everyone. Da way of life ganna be free and beautiful,but weesa has nocomebackie da way.

Gre has poison men’s souls, has barricad da Galaxy with hata, has goose-stepp us into misery and bloodshed. Weesa has develop spe ,but weesa has shut ourselves in. Machinery da gives abundance has left us in wanna. Weesa knowledge has made us cynical. Weesa cleverness, hard and unkind. Weesa thinkin too much and feel too litta bitty. More than machinery weesa ne humanity. More than cleverness weesa ne kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities,life ganna be violent and all ganna be nocomebackie.

Da hyperdrive and da hyperwave has bringa us closer together. Da very very nature of these inventions cries out for da goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for da unity of us all. Even now missa voice is reach millions throughout da Galaxy - millions of despairing men, women, and litta bitty children - victims of a system da makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

To thesa who ganna hear missa, missa sayin - no despair. Da misery da is now upon us is but da pass of gre - da bitterness of men who fear da way of progress. Da hata of men ganna pass, and dictators die, and da power thesa took from da people ganna return toda people. And so longo as men die, liberty ganna never perish...

Soldiers! Don’t give yousaselves to brutes - men who despise yousa - enslave yousa - who regiment yousa lives - taleo yousa what do - what think and what to feel! Who drill yousa - diet yousa - treat yousa likein nerfs, use yousa as cannon fodder. Don’t give yousaselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! Yousa no machines! Yousa no nerfs! Yousa men! Yousa has da lovein of life in yousa hearts! Yousa don’t hata! Onda unlov hata - da unlov and da unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!

Nda teachings of da Jedi isa written: “da force isa a energy field creat by all liv things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds da whole galaxy together." - no one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In yousa! Yousa, da people has da power - da power to creata machines. Da power to creata happiness! Yousa, da people, has da power to make dis life free and beautiful, to make dis life a bombad adventure.

Then - inda name of democracy - let us use da power - let us all unita. Let us fight for a new Galaxy - a decent Galaxy da ganna give men a chance to jobbin - da ganna give youth a future and old age a security. By da promise of these things,brutes has risen to power. But thesa lie! Thesa no fulfil da promise. Thesa never ganna!

Dictators free themselves but thesa enslave da people! Now let us fight to fulfil da promise! Let us fight to free da galaxy - do away with barriers - do away with gre, with hata and intolerance. Let us fight for a Galaxy of reason,a Galaxy wherea science and progress ganna lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! I nda name of democracy,let us all unita!

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Star wars has always been a team-work that balanced each other and gave us a true masterpiece in modern sci-fi. Even the New Star trek series: Insurgency has borrowed many subplots and visual style. Therefore if George somehow ignored all the tendencies of the 90's and decided alone to dumb down the story for easy sales, we'd definitely get terrible movies.

Before they got the idea to copy Star Wars CBS's plan for post Voyager Star Trek involved keeping all the creators who drove Voyager into the ground for their next Trek series. If the Star Wars prequels had been bad, or even somehow flopped they might never have made Insurgency as we know it and without Insurgency being a television juggernaut we never would have gotten Battlestar Galactica, Serenity, Legend of the Galactic Heroes or the other shows that tried to rake in similar numbers of viewers.

And what would that have meant for all the other sci-fi films that have dominated the last 15 years. The John Carter and Doctor Who movies found success emulating the prequels like Star Trek did. Without the sci-fi craze Thunderbirds are Go might never have gotten greenlit, but on the other hand considering the 2004 film tried to do everything everyone else was not doing maybe bad prequels would turn it into a masterpiece.

The list of great movies and shows we could lose without the prequels is endless.
 

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I’m sorry, but missa don’t wanna be a emperor. That’s no missa business. Missa don’t wanna rule or conquer thesa. Missa should likein to help everyone - if possible - Naboo, Gungan- Wookie - Hutt. Weesa all wanna help one another. People is likein da. Weesa wanna live by each other’s happiness - no by each other’s misery. Weesa don’t wanna hata and despise one another. In dis biiig Galaxy der is room for everyone. And da bombad Galaxy is rich and ganna provide for everyone. Da way of life ganna be free and beautiful,but weesa has nocomebackie da way.

Gre has poison men’s souls, has barricad da Galaxy with hata, has goose-stepp us into misery and bloodshed. Weesa has develop spe ,but weesa has shut ourselves in. Machinery da gives abundance has left us in wanna. Weesa knowledge has made us cynical. Weesa cleverness, hard and unkind. Weesa thinkin too much and feel too litta bitty. More than machinery weesa ne humanity. More than cleverness weesa ne kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities,life ganna be violent and all ganna be nocomebackie.

Da hyperdrive and da hyperwave has bringa us closer together. Da very very nature of these inventions cries out for da goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for da unity of us all. Even now missa voice is reach millions throughout da Galaxy - millions of despairing men, women, and litta bitty children - victims of a system da makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

To thesa who ganna hear missa, missa sayin - no despair. Da misery da is now upon us is but da pass of gre - da bitterness of men who fear da way of progress. Da hata of men ganna pass, and dictators die, and da power thesa took from da people ganna return toda people. And so longo as men die, liberty ganna never perish...

Soldiers! Don’t give yousaselves to brutes - men who despise yousa - enslave yousa - who regiment yousa lives - taleo yousa what do - what think and what to feel! Who drill yousa - diet yousa - treat yousa likein nerfs, use yousa as cannon fodder. Don’t give yousaselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! Yousa no machines! Yousa no nerfs! Yousa men! Yousa has da lovein of life in yousa hearts! Yousa don’t hata! Onda unlov hata - da unlov and da unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!

Nda teachings of da Jedi isa written: “da force isa a energy field creat by all liv things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds da whole galaxy together." - no one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In yousa! Yousa, da people has da power - da power to creata machines. Da power to creata happiness! Yousa, da people, has da power to make dis life free and beautiful, to make dis life a bombad adventure.

Then - inda name of democracy - let us use da power - let us all unita. Let us fight for a new Galaxy - a decent Galaxy da ganna give men a chance to jobbin - da ganna give youth a future and old age a security. By da promise of these things,brutes has risen to power. But thesa lie! Thesa no fulfil da promise. Thesa never ganna!

Dictators free themselves but thesa enslave da people! Now let us fight to fulfil da promise! Let us fight to free da galaxy - do away with barriers - do away with gre, with hata and intolerance. Let us fight for a Galaxy of reason,a Galaxy wherea science and progress ganna lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! I nda name of democracy,let us all unita!
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IC: Any way in regards to making the prequels suck, have Lucas get an ego trip and run the whole thing himself and cast wooden actors like that actor that Lucas was originally going to have as Anakin, Hayden Whathisname.

I heard that Lucas was also interested in casting Natalie Portman as Padme and although she's a brilliant actress right now, at the time she was pretty wooden at the time and not have worked.
 
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